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all right you cool cats and kittens from

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sunny San Diego I'm Greg Karl wood and

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few things are as obvious as the

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uncomfortable reality that our world is

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run by a confusing array of interlocking

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three-letter agencies fraternal

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Brotherhood's military contractors

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intelligence operations globalist think

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tanks private security firms and secret

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societies because we see their

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fingerprints on damn near all the major

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moves made on the global chessboard Jews

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assassinations insurgencies false flags

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drone strikes secret armies revolutions

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resource plunders propaganda and all the

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rest of it are clearly derived from

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these viper dens and rat nests of this

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nefarious nexus but yet they continue to

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do what they do shaping the world in

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their own backwards image with very

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little resistance or consequence and

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though it sometimes gets complex and

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confusing nobody untangles these inter

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woven threads on the big conspiracy

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cardigan better than our returning guest

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recluse of the bicep view blog he's been

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here twice before schooling us on

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Epstein nexium intelligence blackmail

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operations nazi occultism deep state

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magic and the infamous story of the nine

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today we are celebrating the release of

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his first published book strange tales

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of the pair of political post-war Nazis

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mercenaries and other secret history

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it's a collection of intriguing essays

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from both him and his co-author Frank

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zero I know I'm psyched and it is such a

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treat to have him back breaking down

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these little-known aspects of history

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and the strange groups that have been

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running these international operations

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so let's get into it the para political

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poster the strange tales teller and the

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deep politics exposure my friend and

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yours recluse welcome back man thanks

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Reagan thanks for having me back : of

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course of course I loved the book on

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point as always big congratulations on

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getting it finished not an easy thing to

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do and I also understand the desire to

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not use your real name on stuff like

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this but should we be calling us William

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Snyder or Steven Snyder now I'm seeing

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very little consistency across the

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platforms man yeah yeah yeah this kind

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of seems like whoever is more

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comfortable with what but Stevens fine I

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kind of use the s William thing as a

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you to my dad who was another William

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since he was kind of the one who

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inspired me to get into this type of

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research and I always kind of liked

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those you know first name period middle

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name type names for authors to sew right

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on yes very cool very cool and so to

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dive into the book itself as you say in

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the intro America is cursed it was

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effectively built on Indian burial

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ground and you note that this is nothing

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new controlling power centers

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Christian's

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taking over pagan sites the Nazis

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thinking they could retake castles and

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lands conquered by King Arthur for an

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energetic boost but you say so too were

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the centers of political and economic

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power built on the bones of those who

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flourished in pre-colonial America and

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that's really well written but how do

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you think that America today is affected

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by that unsavory foundation we tend to

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ignore it but it proudly has some pretty

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relevant implications wouldn't you say

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oh yeah I mean it's just you know it's

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such a blood-stained history in general

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certainly with the expansion into the

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new world the genocide against the

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Native Americans the plagues and so on

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and so forth and I mean even then you

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know there were strange happenings here

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even before the colonists showed up I

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mean of course of late I've been looking

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allotted all the stuff in my own kind of

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region of the world here in Appalachia

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with the Edina and the Hopewell and I

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mean this was a whole area that Kenneth

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Brandt had believed was a kind of window

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area sort of opening into the abyss and

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his system which would lead into the

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Nightside Tree of Life or the low crafty

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and space gods were and you sort of have

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these tribes there the hope will the

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Idina in the case of the Hopewell there

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were signs that they use scrying stone

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somewhat Hakeem to Chandi or something

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to that effect

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so you know there's already the

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possibility that there had been breaches

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so to speak in this whole continent you

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know well before the colonists got here

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and you know I think increasingly it

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seems evident that these portals

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whatever you want to call them were

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probably reopened it was much bigger

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going into the Cold War with a lot of

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the difference you know MKULTRA

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artichoke

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type stuff that was going on so yeah I

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mean all this plays into the history of

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this land and just you know the way so

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much of this stuff is coordinated it

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seems like to harness the power of the

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very geography of this place of just you

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know it's peculiar history mm-hmm yes

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that is all great context and so a big

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part of this book goes deep into the

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melon family and I love this kind of

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stuff weighing the influence of one

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elite family or network and seeing just

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how many fingers they have and how many

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different pies and we've heard

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breakdowns of elite families like

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rockefeller rothschild and Morgan but

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you write that the Mellon family has

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remained one of the wealthiest and most

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influential dynasties of the last

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can you walk people through what it is

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they built their empire on and why

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they're still influential when some of

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the other big families it seems like

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their influences wait sure well I mean

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you know like a lot of the you know kind

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of storied American dynasties they

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really rose to prominence in the

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aftermath of the Civil War the kind of

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patriarch was considered to be judged

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Thomas Mellon the whole family their

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kind of power center was long based

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around Pittsburgh Pennsylvania after the

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Civil War Judge Thomas had founded the

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Mellon Bank which by 1900 had become the

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largest financial institution in the

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United States outside of New York City

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so you know the kind of banking industry

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was what really laid the foundation for

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the family fortunes but they've spread

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into a lot of different industries Alcoa

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coppers and probably most notable Gulf

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oil which was really fortuitous they got

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into that right really the onset of the

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20th century and you know obviously the

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use of oil would just explode right

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around this time as the automobile

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became more and more prominent and of

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course going into the world wars it was

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so instrumental to national defense and

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that really solidified the you know

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economic prowess of the family and that

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since at least you could maybe draw some

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parallels to the Rockefeller family

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though a bit of a reverse you know the

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Mellon's made their money in banking and

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then got into oil the Rockefellers did

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that reverse but whatever but they had

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become you know since

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just a major powerhouse by the early

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20th century and that was when you saw

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one of the more noteworthy or notorious

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members depending upon one's point of

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view and that would be Anthony Mellon

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the long-standing secretary of the

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Treasury opposed he held from 1920 I

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believe for about 1932 he was there

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through Harding through leaves through

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Hoover and he gets credits sometimes for

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the Roaring Twenties blamed sometimes

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for the stock market crash in 1929 he

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said a lot of you know dispute as to how

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much infinity should deserve but that's

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more of a debate for economists but the

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other big kind of thing that happened

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for the melons going into the World War

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2 era was that they were really there at

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the onset of the emergence of the first

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you know kind of attempt to create a

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Central Intelligence Group for the

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United States and that was the Office of

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Strategic Services there were plenty of

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melons in there Andrew Mellon's son Paul

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Mellon was in the OSS and there were

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quite a few in-laws as well I mean all

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said and done there at least probably

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half a dozen or so family members and

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the sordid hanger-ons that ended up in

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the OSS and this marked the beginning of

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a long-standing relationship with the US

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intelligence community that the families

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probably continued up to this very day

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hmm Wow Wow yes seems like a tail is all

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this time to some degree but for our

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listeners here it seems like William

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Mellon Hitchcock would be one of the

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most interesting members on that family

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tree can you tell us a little bit about

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him specifically oh yeah yeah yeah mr.

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Billy is apparently known by the help

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yeah he had quite a decade there in the

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1960s it started out with the

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shenanigans in the UK with Profumo he

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was the roommate for the infamous

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private detective Thomas Corps believe

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they were flatmates depending upon what

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sorts you look at they were either

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throwing quote/unquote wild parties or

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orgies out of this particular flat they

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you know befriend Stephen Ward who had

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the sex ring that would later be exposed

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by the perfume Oh scandal in 1963 and

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mr. billion Korbel appeared to a plate

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apart and some of the I guess Palace

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intrigues or whatever you want to call

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it surrounding Harold back

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Milind than the sitting Prime Minister

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then in 1963 just as that scandal is

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starting to blow up Hitchcock returns to

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the United States and kind of begins the

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second phase of his sixties journey

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where he became a major sponsor

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effectively of LSD first he set up

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Timothy Leary at the Hitchcock estate at

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Millbrook New York and that became kind

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of a psychedelic Center I guess Leary

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and company were entrenched there from

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63 I think till about 67 and a lot of

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other strange characters passed through

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the doors during the time Hitchcock was

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living in a bungalow on the grounds of

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the estates he did apparently frequently

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hobnob with Leary and company took some

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acid with them but he never really

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experienced a spiritual moment more

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profound than wondering how he could

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make more money on the stock market

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reportedly so it's definitely led to a

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bit of a mystery why exactly he was

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sponsoring all of this in the first

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place it was actually his sister Peggy

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Hitchcock who had gotten him involved

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with Leary I think at one point she

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didand and having an affair with him or

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something to that effect but yeah you

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know you have all this craziness

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eventually mr. Billy had decided to

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evict Leary from Mill Brook but they're

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apparently weren't that many hard

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feelings cause he I guess gave him a

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couple of grand on the way out so he

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could get to be established elsewhere so

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anyway mr. Billy ends up relocating to

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California around 1967 he's got a couple

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of chemists with him he starts making

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some LSD he hooks up with the

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Brotherhood of eternal love to

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distribute it and by at the end of the

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decade they have effectively become the

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largest LSD suppliers in the entire

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country and that was right around the

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time that mr. Billy started to have some

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legal problems which possibly went into

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one of his other ventures at the time

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and that was a gaming conglomerate known

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as Resorts International it had its

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origins in a company called the Mary

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Carter Payton company spent a lot of

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suspicions that had been used by the CIA

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during the whole Bay of Pigs thing one

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of the early stockholders was the

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Republican governor of New York Thomas

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Dewey he was a good friend of the Dulles

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brothers Allen Dulles and John Foster -

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both heavily backed his campaigns for

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the

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headquarters for Mary Carter ended up

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being in Tampa which just happened to be

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the base of operations so to speak % o

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strepek ante the Florida Dawn who was

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using all theirs anti-castro Cubans as

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muscle for his own you know can

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organized crime thing at the same time

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so there are others connections of

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course resource decided to set up shop

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as a gaming interest in the Bahamas and

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around 65 they bought a Paradise Island

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and interestingly Paradise Island

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originally had been Hog Island it was

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turned into Paradise Island by a guy

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named Huntington Hartford who had

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actually known mr. Billy and all these

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other guys in the UK he was kind of tied

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up with a perfume oh and fair and

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Stephen Ward and all that craziness as

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well it's got a strange thing about

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resorts you see so many guys that were

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involved with perfume oh who turn up in

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this case as well but anyway you know

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you got resorts set up there you've got

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these kind of mere Lansky guys who were

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tied into the casino on the mob

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standpoint there's also these ties the

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US intelligence community I mean they

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basically set up one of the first

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corporate private intelligence companies

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within her tail which was wholly owned

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subsidiary of Resorts International it's

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got a bunch of X you know NSA FBI CIA

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types in it

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and then of course the CIA itself used

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resorts operationally for some unknown

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purpose in 72 or 73 so I mean this is a

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really just you know powerful company I

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mean it was really kind of a middle

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ground between organized crime in the US

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intelligence community eventually also

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received a curious CEO in the 1980s

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called Donald J Trump but mr. Hitchcock

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was the biggest investor in Resorts

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International pumped almost 5 million

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dollars into the company eventually he

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had become disturbed I guess with how

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these shares were being managed by his

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bank Castle Bank and Trust which was

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also run by an old OSS hand Paul

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Helliwell who had essentially become the

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CIA's banker in the Caribbean for the

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you know different drug trafficking and

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arms trafficking that kind of thing so

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anyway yeah there was an IRS

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investigation going on called trade

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winds that was trying to figure out you

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know all the mechanisms that the Mafia

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was using in the Caribbean somebody had

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an axe to grind with mr. Billy his name

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got leaked and that did cause a couple

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of problems that kinda tipped off the

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whole resorts thing might have led to

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some embarrassing moments such as the

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fact that Richard Nixon the sitting

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president was probably getting a cut of

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the skin off of the toll bridge leading

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up to the island yeah yeah yeah just

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some really incredible figures I mean

414
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just show up and all that and just

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really throughout the 60s it's just

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insane all the things that Hitchcock was

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tied up and in that one decade yeah I

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really loved reading that section and

419
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the history is definitely interesting

420
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you cover a lot of intelligence

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operations and the propaganda campaigns

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that surround them and just to kind of

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try to relate this to the current events

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that we're all dealing with gaslighting

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is a term that comes up a lot in the

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book and I'm sure many of us have heard

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this in the context of me2 or liberal

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millennial circles but talk to us about

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not only the meaning of the word but how

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it's actually been used by the puppet

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masters of that power pyramid against we

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the people so they say maybe we're

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seeing a little bit of this with the

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kovat saga yeah I mean I think that's

435
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you know very much the case

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and you know I mean another entity that

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we kind of get into in the book was the

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American Security Council which I mean

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it was kind of the far right answers the

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Council on Foreign Relations if you will

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during much of the Cold War era it was

442
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essentially a vast private intelligence

443
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operation lots of military intelligence

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guys and big CIA people involved in and

445
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and what-have-you but I mean the big

446
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thing that with the ASC is just the

447
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incredible amount of influence it had on

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these you know kind of alternative

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cultures one was the UFO community and

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then of course another one was the

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conspiratorial rights my kind of term

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for them but I mean most of the you know

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the common tropes were all used to the

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anti UN stuff the anti IRS tropes the

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ante federal reserved the anti

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Rockefeller stuff almost all of this

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stuff has its origins with the American

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Security Council and then in turn it was

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disseminated through groups like the

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John Birch Society in the Liberty

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Liberty and so on and so forth and to me

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it's just really fascinating when you

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kind of look at that in context with

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some of the things that are going on now

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I mean you know you've got like the

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whole one-world broadcast that the World

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Health Organization was sponsoring

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you've got you know Bill Gates coming

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out with the whole nano microchip thing

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which is another longtime trope of this

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kind of stuff and then of course you

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know the famous now I guess infamous

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picture of what the Rothschild air and

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the spirit cooking lady in front of the

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18th century painting of Satan summons

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is legion there's something like that so

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you know this is pretty incredible

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trolling in a lot of ways or at least it

479
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certainly comes off like that for the

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Alex Jones types of the world and what

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have you and it's just really

482
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fascinating how when you kind of go back

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I mean these tropes have been just kind

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of disseminated for decades now and it

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seems like very ever so often in these

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kind of crucial realignments of the

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world order they start to really be

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played with a lot of force I mean it

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kind of reminds me again of the whole

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situation in 1991 you know you've got

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pop a bush out there making his old New

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World Order speech you've got a kind of

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quasi you

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military thing and ancient Babylon aka

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Iraq it's all very symbolically loaded

496
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to put it mildly and it certainly seems

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like you know we're seeing a lot of

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these old warhorses coming out once

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again for our current situation yeah and

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it does make one wonder why

501
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like what agenda would that serve for

502
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them to spread something like anti

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Federal Reserve sentiment is it just

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controlled opposition yeah I mean I

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think you know there's some of that of

506
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course you know it's especially baffling

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in the case at the ASC because the

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Rockefellers were actually sponsors of

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it especially Nelson Rockefeller and

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kind of I alluded to before they're also

511
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you know one of the major sources for

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the anti Rockefellers type stuff so yeah

513
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it's kind of like the Rockefellers are

514
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basically sponsoring the propaganda

515
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that's targeting them in a sense so you

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see a lot of those just strange

517
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undercurrents but I mean on the flip

518
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side of the coin though I mean I do

519
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think there is a divide ultimately

520
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between these kind of you know this

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liberal internationalist clique

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globalist clique whatever you want to

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call it and I think a more nationalist

524
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oriented group you know obviously the

525
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struggle has been going on for a while

526
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now but it's certainly become I think

527
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more intense in the 21st century

528
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beginning with the bush 2 years and yeah

529
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I mean now it's kind of hard to even

530
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keep a lid on it almost yes and since

531
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we're talking about the American

532
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Security Council we can stick with them

533
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a little bit but you have a great

534
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section about how they do seem to be

535
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connected to many of the big stories of

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ufology like you kind of mentioned there

537
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but I guess remind people about some of

538
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these connections in ufology because

539
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when you relay all the big stories all

540
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the buzzwords of kind of that older

541
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first phase of the whole little green

542
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man thing a lot of it has their

543
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fingerprints on it yeah no I mean

544
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absolutely really you can even go back

545
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to the Roswell incident I mean there

546
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were several noteworthy figures that

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00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:46,130
have been linked to that 4-year most

548
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:48,410
notably general Nathan twining another

549
00:21:53,290 --> 00:21:50,240
alleged mj-12 member

550
00:21:55,090 --> 00:21:53,300
that type of thing curtis lemay who knew

551
00:21:57,910 --> 00:21:55,100
quite a few of the prominent figures

552
00:22:00,250 --> 00:21:57,920
linked to Roswell so you kind of have

553
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:00,260
that membership and then other

554
00:22:04,030 --> 00:22:02,570
individuals like Arthur Radford Admiral

555
00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:04,040
Arthur Radford it was another big

556
00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:05,750
military pooh-bah who had a lot of

557
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:07,390
interest in the topic who were also

558
00:22:13,510 --> 00:22:10,970
early founders of the ASC and Bradford

559
00:22:17,020 --> 00:22:13,520
also interestingly was also close to the

560
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:17,030
guy who had founded nightcap coing I

561
00:22:19,930 --> 00:22:18,410
believe I can't remember his name off

562
00:22:22,270 --> 00:22:19,940
the top of my head but he had actually

563
00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:22,280
served under Radford in the Navy I

564
00:22:26,350 --> 00:22:24,110
believe in the late 40s or something to

565
00:22:28,180 --> 00:22:26,360
that effect and just in general nightcap

566
00:22:31,299 --> 00:22:28,190
which was the first you know really big

567
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:31,309
civilian UFO outfits there was just so

568
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:33,650
much overlap with the ASC membership and

569
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:36,050
that would continue for years in fact I

570
00:22:40,180 --> 00:22:38,510
think about the 70s even John Fisher who

571
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:40,190
was the official founder and longtime

572
00:22:44,410 --> 00:22:42,050
chairman of the ASC was also on the

573
00:22:46,330 --> 00:22:44,420
board of NICAP so you know you had all

574
00:22:48,850 --> 00:22:46,340
that I mean you had guys like curtis

575
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:48,860
lemay and another ASC member barry

576
00:22:53,770 --> 00:22:51,290
goldwater who really kind of created the

577
00:22:56,410 --> 00:22:53,780
hanger night team at those a lot of

578
00:22:56,590 --> 00:22:56,420
these guys right 80 yeah yeah you're

579
00:22:58,480 --> 00:22:56,600
right

580
00:23:00,580 --> 00:22:58,490
and then you had Edward Teller who had

581
00:23:02,770 --> 00:23:00,590
kind of been an early sponsor of Bob

582
00:23:06,100 --> 00:23:02,780
Lazar and that interests all the stuff

583
00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:06,110
with area 51 I mean they show up almost

584
00:23:10,930 --> 00:23:09,170
everywhere and then kind of bizarrely

585
00:23:13,060 --> 00:23:10,940
there was the big publishing house the

586
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:13,070
reader and family who had sponsored it

587
00:23:17,740 --> 00:23:15,110
and the publisher and these were the

588
00:23:19,450 --> 00:23:17,750
guys who had first put out Jacques

589
00:23:21,070 --> 00:23:19,460
Falaise books you know messengers of

590
00:23:23,530 --> 00:23:21,080
deception and what-have-you which I

591
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:23,540
personally find to be very fascinating

592
00:23:29,950 --> 00:23:26,000
because you know obviously this presents

593
00:23:32,770 --> 00:23:29,960
a much much more esoteric interpretation

594
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:32,780
of the UFO phenomenon it's not sticking

595
00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:34,640
to the whole nuts and bolts premise and

596
00:23:39,220 --> 00:23:36,380
what-have-you it's going into much more

597
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:39,230
of a mystical take on the whole subject

598
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:41,570
and you know I definitely find it to be

599
00:23:46,450 --> 00:23:44,690
quite fascinating that this came from

600
00:23:49,180 --> 00:23:46,460
the american security council when it

601
00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:49,190
kind of shows the i think this sort of

602
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:51,440
two different strands that have been

603
00:23:55,030 --> 00:23:52,970
kind of buying with each other within

604
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:55,040
this field you know on the one hand

605
00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:56,290
you've kind of got the rockefeller

606
00:23:59,530 --> 00:23:58,160
initiatives with lawrence and

607
00:24:01,630 --> 00:23:59,540
what-have-you and that kind of took the

608
00:24:02,550 --> 00:24:01,640
whole nuts and bolts explanation and a

609
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:02,560
generally

610
00:24:07,890 --> 00:24:05,710
positive space brothers were here to

611
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:07,900
make environmental sustainability a

612
00:24:12,780 --> 00:24:10,020
thing and get rid of nuclear power

613
00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:12,790
versus you know the ASC which kind of

614
00:24:16,830 --> 00:24:15,070
presents this kind of take where the one

615
00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:16,840
hand they might also be fairies or

616
00:24:21,060 --> 00:24:18,550
demons from the Middle Ages and they

617
00:24:24,330 --> 00:24:21,070
potentially have a much more hostile

618
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:24,340
agenda with abductions and medical

619
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:26,820
experimentation and all this other stuff

620
00:24:31,710 --> 00:24:29,650
so yeah I mean it's definitely just

621
00:24:34,470 --> 00:24:31,720
really fascinating how I mean they've

622
00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:34,480
played into this narrative and certainly

623
00:24:37,410 --> 00:24:35,860
what their ties to the Christian Right

624
00:24:39,270 --> 00:24:37,420
as well you do kind of wonder what

625
00:24:42,870 --> 00:24:39,280
exactly the ultimate agenda behind some

626
00:24:46,100 --> 00:24:42,880
of this was yes yes and you mentioned of

627
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:46,110
course hangar 18 area 51 and Bob Lazar

628
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:48,130
these are some of the biggest stories

629
00:24:54,420 --> 00:24:49,930
and Roswell I took this from the book

630
00:24:56,970 --> 00:24:54,430
you say that another ASC linkage to

631
00:24:59,430 --> 00:24:56,980
Roswell comes in the form of Colonel

632
00:25:01,260 --> 00:24:59,440
Philip J Corso whose book the day after

633
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:01,270
Roswell is one of the best-selling

634
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:03,550
accounts ever of the alleged incident of

635
00:25:09,060 --> 00:25:07,120
course Corso was not himself a member of

636
00:25:11,700 --> 00:25:09,070
the ASC but was involved with the

637
00:25:14,340 --> 00:25:11,710
bizarre order commonly referred to as

638
00:25:16,830 --> 00:25:14,350
the sovereign order of st. John the

639
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:16,840
sovereign order of st. John was in turn

640
00:25:21,900 --> 00:25:19,330
a member of the American security

641
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:21,910
council's Coalition for peace through

642
00:25:27,540 --> 00:25:24,850
strength interesting I mean when you

643
00:25:30,030 --> 00:25:27,550
know all this does it make you I guess

644
00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:30,040
skeptical of a guy like Corso do you

645
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:33,370
think Roswell was spun off completely at

646
00:25:38,790 --> 00:25:35,770
a whole cloth or was it just tweaked to

647
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,800
fit a narrative was it real at all what

648
00:25:43,410 --> 00:25:40,440
do you think about some of this stuff

649
00:25:46,740 --> 00:25:43,420
well I'm definitely very skeptical of

650
00:25:49,340 --> 00:25:46,750
course oh yeah I've actually uncovered a

651
00:25:51,780 --> 00:25:49,350
lot of just crazy stuff about that whole

652
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:51,790
sovereign Order of Saint John since I

653
00:25:56,820 --> 00:25:54,610
wrote that another guy involved with it

654
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:56,830
was Cleve Backster the polygraph

655
00:26:00,930 --> 00:25:58,570
specialist who was kind of behind the

656
00:26:02,550 --> 00:26:00,940
whole communicating with plans with a

657
00:26:04,740 --> 00:26:02,560
polygraph machine I know they wrote the

658
00:26:05,630 --> 00:26:04,750
book the secret life of plants based on

659
00:26:09,060 --> 00:26:05,640
his quote unquote

660
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:09,070
research okay yeah I know that book

661
00:26:14,730 --> 00:26:12,010
crazy Clyde Baxter yeah we'll see I've

662
00:26:16,290 --> 00:26:14,740
got access to his personal papers then

663
00:26:17,850 --> 00:26:16,300
based on some of the stuff I found in

664
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:17,860
there it's almost certain to my mind

665
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:19,570
that he was involved in project Bluebird

666
00:26:24,180 --> 00:26:22,210
back in the day but just in terms of the

667
00:26:25,530 --> 00:26:24,190
order of st. John it's just crazy some

668
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:25,540
of the stuff in there I mean they had

669
00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:27,970
like an Oregon energy specialist

670
00:26:32,580 --> 00:26:29,470
involved with the group they were trying

671
00:26:35,100 --> 00:26:32,590
to recruit Ingo Swann remote viewer into

672
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:35,110
the SOS Jay so I mean they had just

673
00:26:39,300 --> 00:26:37,510
tremendous amount of overlap with this

674
00:26:41,100 --> 00:26:39,310
stuff with Scientologists with all this

675
00:26:43,830 --> 00:26:41,110
other crazy stuff and this was just you

676
00:26:45,870 --> 00:26:43,840
know a fanatically bright wing group

677
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,880
that was tied up with Christian identity

678
00:26:51,710 --> 00:26:47,679
and Christian dominionism and all these

679
00:26:54,510 --> 00:26:51,720
other just really vile racist ideologies

680
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:54,520
so yeah you know you kind of look at

681
00:26:58,350 --> 00:26:56,410
these guys like this hovering in the

682
00:26:59,940 --> 00:26:58,360
background of the UFO question and

683
00:27:01,650 --> 00:26:59,950
really for that matter a lot of the

684
00:27:04,380 --> 00:27:01,660
remote viewing stuff that was going on

685
00:27:08,010 --> 00:27:04,390
an SSRI and what-have-you it definitely

686
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,020
raises some very disturbing prospects in

687
00:27:13,890 --> 00:27:10,240
terms of Roswell I mean I don't think

688
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:13,900
that it was necessarily a pure SIOP but

689
00:27:19,290 --> 00:27:15,850
yeah I think there was something else

690
00:27:21,300 --> 00:27:19,300
going on there other than a crashed UFO

691
00:27:23,130 --> 00:27:21,310
I mean I think probably the best

692
00:27:24,740 --> 00:27:23,140
explanation really has ultimately come

693
00:27:26,910 --> 00:27:24,750
from Chris doles

694
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:26,920
effectively something was summoned there

695
00:27:33,660 --> 00:27:29,730
and when you just look at this bizarre

696
00:27:35,850 --> 00:27:33,670
occultic stuff are quasi occultic stuff

697
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:35,860
that we're doing energy and just some of

698
00:27:41,340 --> 00:27:38,890
the other ties the guys like the SOS jay

699
00:27:44,490 --> 00:27:41,350
group had you know that's a very

700
00:27:46,190 --> 00:27:44,500
tempting explanation for all of it right

701
00:27:48,740 --> 00:27:46,200
right and for people who don't remember

702
00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:48,750
Project Blue Bird it's basically

703
00:27:54,180 --> 00:27:52,240
synonymous or often talked about with

704
00:27:56,419 --> 00:27:54,190
project artichoke and of

705
00:27:59,519 --> 00:27:56,429
course all this stuff under the MKULTRA

706
00:28:01,409 --> 00:27:59,529
umbrella and maybe we should dive into

707
00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:01,419
MKULTRA a little bit more too because

708
00:28:07,139 --> 00:28:04,389
you write about the transition from

709
00:28:10,350 --> 00:28:07,149
trying to crack and control individual

710
00:28:13,289 --> 00:28:10,360
minds to more mass mind control and

711
00:28:15,060 --> 00:28:13,299
social behavior or manipulation and that

712
00:28:17,580 --> 00:28:15,070
might all be coming to a serious head

713
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:17,590
right now - but in the book you write

714
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:20,710
about the Society for the investigation

715
00:28:25,289 --> 00:28:22,870
of human ecology and the role they

716
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:25,299
played in developing and testing these

717
00:28:30,360 --> 00:28:27,850
techniques for the CIA and the MKULTRA

718
00:28:32,730 --> 00:28:30,370
cronies what do you find most

719
00:28:34,710 --> 00:28:32,740
interesting about this area and are you

720
00:28:36,629 --> 00:28:34,720
seeing parallels between the work they

721
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:36,639
were doing then and the things were

722
00:28:40,379 --> 00:28:38,580
experiencing culturally now oh

723
00:28:42,749 --> 00:28:40,389
absolutely

724
00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:42,759
we'll see I mean the big overlap was

725
00:28:47,039 --> 00:28:45,129
this guy called Frank Burnett's he was

726
00:28:50,369 --> 00:28:47,049
you know Rhodes Scholar the whole nine

727
00:28:53,249 --> 00:28:50,379
yards in the 1950s he was involved with

728
00:28:54,570 --> 00:28:53,259
these national war colleges which was

729
00:28:56,700 --> 00:28:54,580
also something the early American

730
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:56,710
security council been tied up in and

731
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,000
essentially they were trying to

732
00:29:03,779 --> 00:29:00,840
indoctrinate military officers and

733
00:29:05,940 --> 00:29:03,789
extreme anti-communism effectively and

734
00:29:08,220 --> 00:29:05,950
one of the guys working with him in this

735
00:29:10,169 --> 00:29:08,230
capacity was Colonel James Monroe who

736
00:29:12,899 --> 00:29:10,179
was a big figure in the Society for the

737
00:29:14,730 --> 00:29:12,909
investigation in human ecology which

738
00:29:16,289 --> 00:29:14,740
essentially was the outfit that was

739
00:29:19,769 --> 00:29:16,299
providing a lot of the funding for the

740
00:29:22,860 --> 00:29:19,779
various MKULTRA projects so Barnett and

741
00:29:25,019 --> 00:29:22,870
Monroe really hit it off and then from

742
00:29:26,580 --> 00:29:25,029
there Barnett had going on to found

743
00:29:29,369 --> 00:29:26,590
another organization the American

744
00:29:31,529 --> 00:29:29,379
strategic information center which was

745
00:29:33,149 --> 00:29:31,539
in turn involved in indoctrinating labor

746
00:29:35,549 --> 00:29:33,159
unions and what have you and Andy

747
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:35,559
communism and there's some heavy people

748
00:29:39,119 --> 00:29:37,570
you know involved in this group as well

749
00:29:40,889 --> 00:29:39,129
I mean you've got William Casey the

750
00:29:43,379 --> 00:29:40,899
future director of the CIA you've got a

751
00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:43,389
Bush family member Frank Shakespeare a

752
00:29:47,610 --> 00:29:44,769
guy who would have a big role with the

753
00:29:49,499 --> 00:29:47,620
Heritage Foundation and what have you so

754
00:29:52,369 --> 00:29:49,509
you know you kind of have this you know

755
00:29:55,139 --> 00:29:52,379
potential linkage to MKULTRA and

756
00:29:57,629 --> 00:29:55,149
psychological warfare that originally

757
00:29:59,490 --> 00:29:57,639
was being kind of employed and doctrine

758
00:30:01,889 --> 00:29:59,500
aiding military officers heads of labor

759
00:30:04,139 --> 00:30:01,899
unions but I really think a lot of this

760
00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:04,149
was gradually incorporated into the

761
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:06,460
broader propaganda that the American

762
00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:08,210
Security Council was to some

763
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:11,240
and that really goes into you know this

764
00:30:14,620 --> 00:30:13,130
alternative stuff that I was just

765
00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:14,630
talking about you know the

766
00:30:19,270 --> 00:30:16,520
conspiratorial right stuff with the ante

767
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:19,280
UN troops and what-have-you the UFOs and

768
00:30:23,710 --> 00:30:21,650
all that stuff and certainly you know

769
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:23,720
when you look at what is happening now

770
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:25,730
with the covert stuff and just the

771
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,890
insanity right now with all the

772
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:29,360
disinformation and the press and

773
00:30:32,500 --> 00:30:30,410
what-have-you

774
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:32,510
you know this is very much I think in

775
00:30:36,460 --> 00:30:34,850
keeping with the legacy of this kind of

776
00:30:38,950 --> 00:30:36,470
research and I mean to kind of put this

777
00:30:40,930 --> 00:30:38,960
in perspective you know Barnett he would

778
00:30:43,420 --> 00:30:40,940
start sponsoring a lot of figures over

779
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:43,430
the years and one of them was a guy

780
00:30:49,930 --> 00:30:46,730
named Brian Crozier who was a big guy in

781
00:30:51,970 --> 00:30:49,940
the UK ties to mi5 mi6 he eventually

782
00:30:53,530 --> 00:30:51,980
became one of the chairman of the circle

783
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:53,540
which is a big you know kind of the

784
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:55,280
far-right santur to Bilderberg Group

785
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:58,370
crows there was a big guy he founded an

786
00:31:02,620 --> 00:31:00,080
institution called the Institute for the

787
00:31:04,570 --> 00:31:02,630
Study of conflict which you know kind of

788
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:04,580
did the similar type of side war any

789
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:07,610
communist stuff in the UK the Barnett to

790
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:09,050
the American Security Council we're

791
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:11,330
doing year two of the big financial

792
00:31:17,380 --> 00:31:14,450
sponsors for frozers efforts with the

793
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:17,390
ISC were press barons one of them was

794
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,210
Sir James Goldsmith Goldsmith was a huge

795
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:22,640
guy in creating Euro skepticism in the

796
00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:25,580
UK he funded the UK Independence Party

797
00:31:30,310 --> 00:31:28,220
in the 90s and a lot of his former

798
00:31:32,110 --> 00:31:30,320
associates and colleagues were major

799
00:31:32,830 --> 00:31:32,120
sponsors of brexit including his

800
00:31:35,050 --> 00:31:32,840
son-in-law

801
00:31:37,180 --> 00:31:35,060
Robin Burleigh and then the other guy

802
00:31:41,410 --> 00:31:37,190
who was big sponsoring Crozier in the

803
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:41,420
ISC Rupert Murdoch Fox News chairman who

804
00:31:44,860 --> 00:31:43,130
has certainly pioneered one of the most

805
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:44,870
traumatic types of news coverage you

806
00:31:53,020 --> 00:31:49,310
could possibly imagine yes yes and it is

807
00:31:57,640 --> 00:31:53,030
just so weird lately how I've been

808
00:32:01,240 --> 00:31:57,650
feeling like in peace times we know not

809
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:01,250
to trust traditional news media the CDC

810
00:32:07,210 --> 00:32:04,850
who the executive branch we know that

811
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:07,220
these people are always lying we know

812
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:09,410
that they don't care about human life

813
00:32:15,370 --> 00:32:11,900
with their drone strikes and their coos

814
00:32:17,650 --> 00:32:15,380
and all the stuff that they do but then

815
00:32:20,020 --> 00:32:17,660
the [\h__\h] hits the fan we all go into

816
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:20,030
panic mode and these are the people who

817
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:21,990
we suddenly start

818
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:24,210
buying into hook line and sinker we

819
00:32:28,820 --> 00:32:27,000
start taking their exact advice we start

820
00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:28,830
actually policing our neighbors on

821
00:32:33,169 --> 00:32:31,740
behalf of what they said and it's like

822
00:32:35,419 --> 00:32:33,179
well did you forget this whole long

823
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:35,429
history of these organizations I'm sorry

824
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:37,650
it is unfortunate that we can't trust

825
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:39,570
any of these institutions all their

826
00:32:44,060 --> 00:32:41,610
credibility is shot and we should have

827
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:44,070
done something about it before we were

828
00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:46,290
in crisis mode but we didn't so you

829
00:32:50,540 --> 00:32:48,630
can't just turn around and say well on

830
00:32:52,549 --> 00:32:50,550
this thing I trust them cuz it's new and

831
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:52,559
fresh and scary it's like they don't

832
00:32:58,160 --> 00:32:56,250
have a legacy of trust yeah yeah I mean

833
00:32:59,180 --> 00:32:58,170
it's just really incredible I mean you

834
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,190
would think that people would have

835
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:01,200
learned their lesson after the you know

836
00:33:06,110 --> 00:33:04,440
Iraq 2 debacle and EE alleged weapons of

837
00:33:09,650 --> 00:33:06,120
mass destruction and then certainly

838
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:09,660
after the OE financial meltdown but it

839
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:11,640
seems like people are still going to try

840
00:33:15,740 --> 00:33:13,770
to cling to that reality that's parroted

841
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:15,750
on the one hand and Fox on the other

842
00:33:20,660 --> 00:33:18,720
hand with CBS or MSNBC or something to

843
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:20,670
that effect and you know I mean it's a

844
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:22,770
really tragic state of affairs because I

845
00:33:28,190 --> 00:33:25,050
mean Fox you know was really the kind of

846
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:28,200
pioneer for this hyper sensational

847
00:33:31,970 --> 00:33:30,210
almost traumatic type of news coverage

848
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:31,980
which has pretty much been adopted by

849
00:33:36,590 --> 00:33:34,770
all of the network's now you know I mean

850
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:36,600
it's almost totally flushed any

851
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:39,330
semblance of the objectivity down the

852
00:33:45,470 --> 00:33:41,490
toilet and yet the public still wants to

853
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:45,480
cling to it for some reason oh man I get

854
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:47,970
so frustrated with it but to head back

855
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:50,700
to UFOs I also thought this was

856
00:33:54,410 --> 00:33:52,710
interesting you did mention NICAP a

857
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:54,420
little bit earlier but to quote your

858
00:33:58,070 --> 00:33:56,130
book you write the National

859
00:34:00,500 --> 00:33:58,080
Investigations Committee on aerial

860
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:00,510
phenomenon or nycap was the first

861
00:34:05,419 --> 00:34:03,210
large-scale civilian agency dedicated to

862
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:05,429
the investigation of UFOs from the late

863
00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:09,690
1950s until its demise in 1989 cap was

864
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:11,609
the cream of the crop in the civilian

865
00:34:16,430 --> 00:34:14,490
field nowadays it's widely acknowledged

866
00:34:18,919 --> 00:34:16,440
that nycap was heavily infiltrated by

867
00:34:21,740 --> 00:34:18,929
the CIA from its inception less

868
00:34:24,139 --> 00:34:21,750
well-known is the fact that the American

869
00:34:27,020 --> 00:34:24,149
Security Council was also involved from

870
00:34:30,050 --> 00:34:27,030
the get-go NICAP was founded by a man

871
00:34:33,430 --> 00:34:30,060
named Townsend Brown a Navy veteran who

872
00:34:35,180 --> 00:34:33,440
had served under Admiral Arthur Radford

873
00:34:37,069 --> 00:34:35,190
Radford and avenged

874
00:34:40,129 --> 00:34:37,079
well chairman of the Joint Chiefs of

875
00:34:42,649 --> 00:34:40,139
Staff would join the ASC and it's

876
00:34:45,470 --> 00:34:42,659
national strategy committee upon his

877
00:34:48,109 --> 00:34:45,480
retirement from the Navy Radford had

878
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:48,119
supported Browns research for years and

879
00:34:53,180 --> 00:34:50,129
had taken a keen interest in the UFO

880
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,190
question himself I'm interested in that

881
00:34:57,589 --> 00:34:55,619
because t Townsend Brown I mean this is

882
00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,599
a guy who a lot of people put in a

883
00:35:04,270 --> 00:35:00,000
category with Nikola Tesla that he was

884
00:35:07,130 --> 00:35:04,280
cracking the code of electrogravitic

885
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:07,140
propulsion and sometimes I just don't

886
00:35:13,579 --> 00:35:10,050
know it's really kind of hard to parse

887
00:35:15,589 --> 00:35:13,589
exactly who the bad guys are when only

888
00:35:17,630 --> 00:35:15,599
one group of guys has really the

889
00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:17,640
resources for this kind of stuff but

890
00:35:22,370 --> 00:35:20,550
it's interesting that he was kind of

891
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:22,380
involved with some of these people what

892
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:24,359
are your thoughts on t Townsend Brown

893
00:35:28,819 --> 00:35:27,119
and the work that he did was he a spook

894
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:28,829
himself because I don't get those spook

895
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:30,810
vibes maybe they were just spooks

896
00:35:35,930 --> 00:35:33,930
interested in him and swarming around

897
00:35:38,839 --> 00:35:35,940
him or maybe I'm being naive what do you

898
00:35:41,420 --> 00:35:38,849
think yeah I mean I definitely think he

899
00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:41,430
was probably more you know somebody that

900
00:35:46,460 --> 00:35:44,940
was being used or manipulated and I mean

901
00:35:48,859 --> 00:35:46,470
certainly that kind of seems to be a

902
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,869
reoccurring theme with almost anybody

903
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:51,180
who's kind of involved in this you know

904
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:54,800
kind of Tesla / alternative energy

905
00:36:00,620 --> 00:35:58,200
oriented research but again you know

906
00:36:03,230 --> 00:36:00,630
there are several disinformation types

907
00:36:05,900 --> 00:36:03,240
involved in this as well specifically

908
00:36:08,300 --> 00:36:05,910
Jeana pew Arak but yeah I mean Braun was

909
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:08,310
a guy - I mean he just seemed like you

910
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:11,099
know a true visionary but again you know

911
00:36:15,020 --> 00:36:13,619
it's also kind of understandable that P

912
00:36:17,630 --> 00:36:15,030
individuals who were affiliated with a

913
00:36:19,250 --> 00:36:17,640
group like the ASC would have taken an

914
00:36:22,339 --> 00:36:19,260
interest in this type of research

915
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:22,349
because it was so closely tied to the

916
00:36:26,809 --> 00:36:24,420
military-industrial complex defense

917
00:36:29,809 --> 00:36:26,819
contractors and especially the aerospace

918
00:36:31,220 --> 00:36:29,819
industry as well so I mean all these

919
00:36:33,349 --> 00:36:31,230
guys I think would have also had a

920
00:36:34,940 --> 00:36:33,359
pretty significant you know financial

921
00:36:36,710 --> 00:36:34,950
stake and the type of things that he was

922
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:36,720
developing as well and this probably

923
00:36:39,980 --> 00:36:38,490
would have provided a compelling way to

924
00:36:41,300 --> 00:36:39,990
kind of keep track of some of the

925
00:36:43,099 --> 00:36:41,310
thoughts that he was developing by

926
00:36:45,470 --> 00:36:43,109
monitoring through a group like nightcap

927
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:45,480
and that type of thing certainly you

928
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:47,220
know there's a lot of different ways to

929
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:48,490
look at it

930
00:36:53,370 --> 00:36:51,850
and the melon family did have a little

931
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:53,380
bit to do with some of this right they

932
00:36:57,270 --> 00:36:55,510
were funding a decent chunk of it just

933
00:36:59,580 --> 00:36:57,280
to bring it back to that first family we

934
00:37:02,010 --> 00:36:59,590
talked about yeah yeah yeah well a lot

935
00:37:03,630 --> 00:37:02,020
of Barnett's initiatives and the NSIC

936
00:37:05,820 --> 00:37:03,640
the national strategic information

937
00:37:07,020 --> 00:37:05,830
center and then later cruiser stuff with

938
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:07,030
the institute that state of conflict

939
00:37:12,630 --> 00:37:10,000
almost all that was funded by Richard

940
00:37:15,210 --> 00:37:12,640
Mellon Scaife II who's another really

941
00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:15,220
just fascinating figure his father Alan

942
00:37:19,950 --> 00:37:17,080
scape II of course had been an OSS

943
00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:19,960
officer and curiously both Alan and his

944
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:22,380
mother Sarah Mellon Scaife II were

945
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:24,700
investors in the world Commerce

946
00:37:28,350 --> 00:37:26,770
Corporation which was a pretty spooky

947
00:37:31,380 --> 00:37:28,360
entity that had been set up by William

948
00:37:33,270 --> 00:37:31,390
Donovan and William Stephenson and a lot

949
00:37:34,470 --> 00:37:33,280
of other ex kook's in the aftermath of

950
00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:34,480
the second world war in fact pretty much

951
00:37:39,300 --> 00:37:37,600
everybody involved with it was X OSS or

952
00:37:40,620 --> 00:37:39,310
British security coordination or

953
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:40,630
something like that I mean it really was

954
00:37:45,150 --> 00:37:42,660
a kind of early corporate intelligence

955
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:45,160
firm so I mean even with his kind of

956
00:37:49,650 --> 00:37:48,010
parents you had this peculiar legacy and

957
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:49,660
then of course Kaffee you know had

958
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:52,360
outright sponsored CIA publications I

959
00:37:56,460 --> 00:37:54,400
think was like the world Future Forum or

960
00:37:58,140 --> 00:37:56,470
something like that and then he had

961
00:38:00,780 --> 00:37:58,150
taken up funding so many of these

962
00:38:03,109 --> 00:38:00,790
initiatives that Barnett had started and

963
00:38:06,090 --> 00:38:03,119
he's just another guy that's had so much

964
00:38:08,490 --> 00:38:06,100
influence on a lot of major public

965
00:38:10,590 --> 00:38:08,500
debates I mean an obvious one would be

966
00:38:12,930 --> 00:38:10,600
the abortion debate he's really been one

967
00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:12,940
of the chief financial sponsors of the

968
00:38:17,220 --> 00:38:15,609
pro-life movement which is kind of

969
00:38:18,690 --> 00:38:17,230
ironic because on the flip side the coin

970
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:18,700
a lot of the other Mellon family members

971
00:38:23,370 --> 00:38:21,130
are big Planned Parenthood backers so

972
00:38:25,470 --> 00:38:23,380
you know you kind of have this instance

973
00:38:27,630 --> 00:38:25,480
of this one particular family that's

974
00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:27,640
really driving this abortion debate

975
00:38:34,710 --> 00:38:31,060
that's preoccupied the public so much

976
00:38:37,370 --> 00:38:34,720
since the 1970s if not sooner and then

977
00:38:39,810 --> 00:38:37,380
amusingly Scafe he was also the guy who

978
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:39,820
sponsored the Clinton chronicles as well

979
00:38:43,290 --> 00:38:41,410
which really kind of you know

980
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:43,300
established the Mentos so the Clintons

981
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:45,369
is the ultimate kind of Faustian

982
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:47,170
villains or something to that effect

983
00:38:54,030 --> 00:38:51,520
mm-hm interesting yes and it's odd why

984
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:54,040
people would waste their money funding

985
00:38:58,740 --> 00:38:56,290
two sides of an argument like you know

986
00:39:01,140 --> 00:38:58,750
the family fortune but I guess they just

987
00:39:02,010 --> 00:39:01,150
want to create division because I do

988
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,020
know a lot

989
00:39:07,860 --> 00:39:04,000
of people particularly back in Missouri

990
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:07,870
who will vote solely on this one issue

991
00:39:12,300 --> 00:39:10,090
and it just drives me nuts cuz I'm like

992
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:12,310
look you're not having kids anymore

993
00:39:16,550 --> 00:39:14,560
you don't have to have an abortion you

994
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:16,560
don't know you want to have an abortion

995
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:19,330
why do you care so much about that as

996
00:39:24,450 --> 00:39:22,330
opposed to like how we deal with the

997
00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:24,460
rest of the world the coos that are

998
00:39:30,090 --> 00:39:27,070
staged by the globalists like why don't

999
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:30,100
you care about the people that are alive

1000
00:39:34,380 --> 00:39:32,530
that don't have any kind of safety net

1001
00:39:36,030 --> 00:39:34,390
that are just you know dying on the

1002
00:39:38,460 --> 00:39:36,040
streets why don't you care about really

1003
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:38,470
anything it's just an odd thing to care

1004
00:39:43,290 --> 00:39:41,770
about hypothetical lives that probably

1005
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:43,300
wouldn't have the best upbringing I mean

1006
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:44,770
I don't even want to really get into it

1007
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:48,450
necessarily but it is just a weird thing

1008
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:51,370
yeah well I mean I think that this kind

1009
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:53,110
of seems like it's part of a coordinated

1010
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:54,940
to lead agenda in a lot of ways I mean

1011
00:39:59,310 --> 00:39:57,280
of course this kind of thinking really

1012
00:40:00,540 --> 00:39:59,320
went back to I mean it goes back earlier

1013
00:40:02,850 --> 00:40:00,550
but I mean really in the post-war years

1014
00:40:05,100 --> 00:40:02,860
I mean the Mont Pelerin Society was a

1015
00:40:07,230 --> 00:40:05,110
big one and this is where mostly a bunch

1016
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:07,240
of economists more conservative leaning

1017
00:40:11,370 --> 00:40:09,430
you get the Austrian school the Chicago

1018
00:40:13,590 --> 00:40:11,380
School and this is really where the

1019
00:40:16,230 --> 00:40:13,600
modern ideology of neoliberalism

1020
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:16,240
originated from as well but essentially

1021
00:40:21,450 --> 00:40:18,310
you know these guys were obsessed with

1022
00:40:24,330 --> 00:40:21,460
the notion of a double government if you

1023
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:24,340
will and on the one hand you would have

1024
00:40:28,740 --> 00:40:26,050
a part of the government that was

1025
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:28,750
basically concerned with social issues

1026
00:40:34,050 --> 00:40:31,690
that generally elites considered to be

1027
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:34,060
meaningless but they would be great for

1028
00:40:37,740 --> 00:40:35,530
a public debate and you could have

1029
00:40:39,630 --> 00:40:37,750
democracy in this sense and so on and so

1030
00:40:41,850 --> 00:40:39,640
forth and then you would have another

1031
00:40:42,990 --> 00:40:41,860
government and this would be the part of

1032
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:43,000
the government that was chiefly

1033
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:46,210
concerned with wealth with military

1034
00:40:50,250 --> 00:40:47,890
functions and specifically with the

1035
00:40:52,260 --> 00:40:50,260
orientation of the economy and things

1036
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:52,270
that were meaningful to the elite things

1037
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:55,210
that conferred power to them so you know

1038
00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:56,710
I mean that I think is why when you

1039
00:41:00,780 --> 00:40:58,690
really get down to it things like the

1040
00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:00,790
abortion debate are continuously pushed

1041
00:41:04,650 --> 00:41:02,710
on us and really the gun debate for that

1042
00:41:06,930 --> 00:41:04,660
matter - I mean I'm sorry but you know

1043
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:06,940
in the 21st century an assault rifle is

1044
00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:08,650
not going to stop some of the super

1045
00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:10,600
weapons that the US military is sitting

1046
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:13,600
on you know I don't think anybody at the

1047
00:41:18,270 --> 00:41:15,550
upper echelon of power really can

1048
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:18,280
one way or the other about abortion or

1049
00:41:23,130 --> 00:41:21,040
the gun issue or probably transgender

1050
00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:23,140
rights or anything like that but you

1051
00:41:27,450 --> 00:41:25,210
know it galvanizes the public that's a

1052
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:27,460
great way to keep people fighting

1053
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:29,890
amongst themselves over issues that are

1054
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:32,050
not going to ultimately increase their

1055
00:41:36,300 --> 00:41:34,210
standard living or the political power

1056
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,310
or anything else that has any real

1057
00:41:41,730 --> 00:41:38,800
significance right right

1058
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:41,740
very well said and to switch gears a

1059
00:41:45,330 --> 00:41:43,210
little bit here I'm also always

1060
00:41:48,330 --> 00:41:45,340
interested in places where we see the

1061
00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:48,340
occult spill into the political spheres

1062
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:51,400
or just general rings of power and I

1063
00:41:55,110 --> 00:41:53,200
know that you're interested in that kind

1064
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:55,120
of stuff as well and in this book you

1065
00:41:59,220 --> 00:41:57,310
write about a figure I don't think I'd

1066
00:42:01,950 --> 00:41:59,230
heard of before he sounds sort of like

1067
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:01,960
an Italian Aleister Crowley with one

1068
00:42:07,470 --> 00:42:04,570
foot in the occult and one in some kind

1069
00:42:09,930 --> 00:42:07,480
of spy craft sort of stuff you refer to

1070
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:09,940
him as the Sith Lord he's got a long

1071
00:42:14,850 --> 00:42:12,970
streams but let's just call him Julius

1072
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:14,860
Ebola but what can you tell us about

1073
00:42:21,060 --> 00:42:18,250
this Ebola guy yeah he really was very

1074
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:21,070
much i cruelly like figure in fact i

1075
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:22,450
mean i would probably argue he was the

1076
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:24,850
other pram and a magician of the 20th

1077
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:26,230
century next to crowley and there was

1078
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:28,330
just a lot of bizarre overlap between

1079
00:42:32,910 --> 00:42:30,850
them i mean they also were both obsessed

1080
00:42:35,790 --> 00:42:32,920
with mountaineering and so forth and

1081
00:42:37,770 --> 00:42:35,800
then there's kind of the bizarre kind of

1082
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:37,780
synchronicity with their deaths of

1083
00:42:44,430 --> 00:42:40,980
course crowley died in 47 avala died in

1084
00:42:46,110 --> 00:42:44,440
74 and you know both of those years are

1085
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:46,120
also of a lot of you know kind of

1086
00:42:50,910 --> 00:42:47,980
interest to syncro mystic types like

1087
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:50,920
myself and what-have-you of course 47

1088
00:42:54,450 --> 00:42:52,240
you know you had the emergence of the

1089
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:54,460
national security states and all kinds

1090
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:57,010
of other crazy stuff 74 yet water gay

1091
00:43:02,100 --> 00:42:59,920
the first kind of public revelation of

1092
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:02,110
the nine impure Horrocks uri book and

1093
00:43:05,610 --> 00:43:04,930
all that good stuff but in terms of

1094
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:05,620
allah

1095
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:06,810
you know the italian philosopher

1096
00:43:12,810 --> 00:43:09,730
occultist he had originally cut his

1097
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:12,820
teeth with the ur group in the 1920s and

1098
00:43:18,090 --> 00:43:14,890
you know there was a lot of interest in

1099
00:43:19,950 --> 00:43:18,100
Mithras ISM I know specifically was that

1100
00:43:22,410 --> 00:43:19,960
the great magical Pappa rious of Paris

1101
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:22,420
was a big text that they were quite

1102
00:43:26,910 --> 00:43:25,150
taken with which I know Knowles has

1103
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:26,920
spoken about hoes essentially an account

1104
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,310
of tripping balls or some things that

1105
00:43:32,810 --> 00:43:30,960
and then you see a lot of the other kind

1106
00:43:35,540 --> 00:43:32,820
of touchstones likes crying and that

1107
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:35,550
type of thing that show up but in terms

1108
00:43:39,140 --> 00:43:37,110
of the villas system that was very

1109
00:43:42,020 --> 00:43:39,150
heavily influenced by hinduism in the

1110
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:42,030
caste system and his take essentially it

1111
00:43:45,350 --> 00:43:44,040
would be the warrior caste that would

1112
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:45,360
have been at the highest level rather

1113
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:47,430
than the Brahmins the priest caste and

1114
00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:50,370
that pretty much led to just an

1115
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:53,300
obsession with these kind of warrior

1116
00:43:58,490 --> 00:43:56,010
Brotherhood's if you will warrior monks

1117
00:44:00,200 --> 00:43:58,500
of course of all I was quite taken with

1118
00:44:02,180 --> 00:44:00,210
the Knights Templar the Knights

1119
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:02,190
Hospitaller and all the you know I mean

1120
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:04,410
revered medieval military orders and

1121
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:06,410
that type of thing

1122
00:44:12,310 --> 00:44:08,300
he really started to rise to prominence

1123
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:12,320
after Mussolini came to power he had

1124
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:14,930
found fascism to be fascinating but head

1125
00:44:18,730 --> 00:44:17,570
ultimately begun to criticize it because

1126
00:44:21,850 --> 00:44:18,740
he believed that Hitler and Mussolini

1127
00:44:23,890 --> 00:44:21,860
did not go far enough he was disturbed

1128
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:23,900
by their pandering to the trade unions

1129
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:26,330
and that type of thing so it was

1130
00:44:32,050 --> 00:44:28,720
definitely very much in a aristocratic

1131
00:44:34,390 --> 00:44:32,060
system that he was promoting nonetheless

1132
00:44:36,910 --> 00:44:34,400
even though he did routinely criticized

1133
00:44:38,980 --> 00:44:36,920
both regimes during the war he did not

1134
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:38,990
end up in a concentration camp like so

1135
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:41,600
many others in fact he was later brought

1136
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:44,270
into the SS another organization that he

1137
00:44:48,850 --> 00:44:46,630
had been quite obsessed with and

1138
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:48,860
specifically he was put into the SD

1139
00:44:53,980 --> 00:44:51,170
which was their principal intelligence

1140
00:44:55,870 --> 00:44:53,990
service and that led to some interesting

1141
00:45:00,010 --> 00:44:55,880
activities at the end of the war he was

1142
00:45:03,130 --> 00:45:00,020
in Austria and Salzburg in 1945 the Red

1143
00:45:06,010 --> 00:45:03,140
Army is surrounding Germany the Allies

1144
00:45:08,650 --> 00:45:06,020
are coming and allegedly during this

1145
00:45:10,780 --> 00:45:08,660
time he's working on a book called the

1146
00:45:13,420 --> 00:45:10,790
history of secret societies or something

1147
00:45:15,790 --> 00:45:13,430
to that effect which is just not a very

1148
00:45:17,770 --> 00:45:15,800
believable story I mean you know the

1149
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,780
Third Reich is literally collapsing

1150
00:45:21,310 --> 00:45:19,280
before his eyes and then he was

1151
00:45:23,140 --> 00:45:21,320
reportedly paralyzed during this time

1152
00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:23,150
from wandering through the streets of

1153
00:45:27,790 --> 00:45:25,160
salzburg as the bombs were being dropped

1154
00:45:29,170 --> 00:45:27,800
and what-have-you so yes there's been

1155
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,180
some theories about what he was actually

1156
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:31,760
up to and I think the great Kevin Coogan

1157
00:45:36,730 --> 00:45:34,910
who sadly recently departed us really

1158
00:45:39,610 --> 00:45:36,740
had the best take on it and that is the

1159
00:45:42,010 --> 00:45:39,620
fact that he had been tapped by the SS

1160
00:45:44,590 --> 00:45:42,020
to develop a pan-european

1161
00:45:46,660 --> 00:45:44,600
ideology that could be revitalized the

1162
00:45:48,820 --> 00:45:46,670
Nazi or fascist underground in the

1163
00:45:50,530 --> 00:45:48,830
aftermath of the war something that

1164
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:50,540
would be more inclusive to the whole of

1165
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,250
Europe and not you know just kind of

1166
00:45:58,060 --> 00:45:55,040
focused on German supremacy or something

1167
00:46:00,400 --> 00:45:58,070
to that effect and you know it seems

1168
00:46:02,050 --> 00:46:00,410
like he was very effective at that you

1169
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:02,060
know going into the Cold War years

1170
00:46:07,540 --> 00:46:05,450
virtually every major you know it's how

1171
00:46:10,810 --> 00:46:07,550
you neo-fascist terrorists at one time

1172
00:46:13,930 --> 00:46:10,820
or other had been infatuated with his

1173
00:46:16,810 --> 00:46:13,940
system the really big you know militant

1174
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:16,820
organization was the new order the head

1175
00:46:19,870 --> 00:46:18,260
of that was you know very much about

1176
00:46:21,370 --> 00:46:19,880
acolytes and this was

1177
00:46:23,529 --> 00:46:21,380
really the group that was you know big

1178
00:46:26,620 --> 00:46:23,539
part of all the galati o efforts to

1179
00:46:28,599 --> 00:46:26,630
destabilize Italy during the time so you

1180
00:46:30,309 --> 00:46:28,609
know I mean that's something also I mean

1181
00:46:32,259 --> 00:46:30,319
I would kind of point out with devilís

1182
00:46:34,809 --> 00:46:32,269
followers in comparison to Crowley's I

1183
00:46:36,849 --> 00:46:34,819
mean Curley tended to inspire a lot of

1184
00:46:37,799 --> 00:46:36,859
bohemian types a lot of artists and

1185
00:46:40,870 --> 00:46:37,809
what-have-you

1186
00:46:43,029 --> 00:46:40,880
voa's followers you know they were more

1187
00:46:46,180 --> 00:46:43,039
concerned with the metaphysics of the

1188
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:46,190
submachine gun and the subway bomb and

1189
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:48,650
that type of thing certainly it was a

1190
00:46:55,180 --> 00:46:52,670
very militant belief system and it did

1191
00:46:57,779 --> 00:46:55,190
inspire many young men to commit just

1192
00:47:00,370 --> 00:46:57,789
absolutely horrendous acts of violence

1193
00:47:02,650 --> 00:47:00,380
hmm damn man that's a pretty good

1194
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:02,660
summary and you also mentioned that

1195
00:47:10,059 --> 00:47:06,609
Ebola gains some modern recent notoriety

1196
00:47:13,690 --> 00:47:10,069
because he was named dropped by Steve

1197
00:47:15,549 --> 00:47:13,700
Bannon and I'm wondering what context

1198
00:47:18,279 --> 00:47:15,559
that was or what you think it might mean

1199
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:18,289
that Bannon would name drop this guy and

1200
00:47:22,359 --> 00:47:19,849
I I don't think I've heard of him before

1201
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:22,369
maybe he's not super obscure but it

1202
00:47:26,980 --> 00:47:25,369
seemed odd yeah well if I remember

1203
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:26,990
correctly Bannon did name dropped him in

1204
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:30,890
the context of Dugan was Alexander Dugan

1205
00:47:36,609 --> 00:47:33,130
or something like that Putin's alleged

1206
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:36,619
Rasputin ever loved was a part of this

1207
00:47:41,019 --> 00:47:38,480
kind of ideology that's usually referred

1208
00:47:43,180 --> 00:47:41,029
to as traditionalism and it really

1209
00:47:45,339 --> 00:47:43,190
spread you know in different sectors

1210
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:45,349
throughout the Cold War in the UK it had

1211
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:46,970
been a major influence in the National

1212
00:47:52,269 --> 00:47:48,650
Front if Nick Griffin and that type of

1213
00:47:54,420 --> 00:47:52,279
thing but it really appears to have had

1214
00:47:58,359 --> 00:47:54,430
a very prominent influence in Russia

1215
00:48:00,430 --> 00:47:58,369
going into the 1980s and you know Dugan

1216
00:48:02,170 --> 00:48:00,440
almost himself comes off as a nevela

1217
00:48:03,609 --> 00:48:02,180
like figure in the sense that he had

1218
00:48:06,940 --> 00:48:03,619
been using the works of ávila

1219
00:48:09,579 --> 00:48:06,950
potentially to craft a new ideology a

1220
00:48:12,099 --> 00:48:09,589
kind of national Bolshevik ISM that

1221
00:48:14,190 --> 00:48:12,109
could kind of fuel the underground after

1222
00:48:16,870 --> 00:48:14,200
the collapse of the Soviet Union

1223
00:48:18,609 --> 00:48:16,880
obviously there's a lot of dispute as to

1224
00:48:20,289 --> 00:48:18,619
just how much of an influence Dugan has

1225
00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:20,299
actually had on Putin in the modern

1226
00:48:26,039 --> 00:48:23,660
Russian stage but certainly it is known

1227
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,049
beyond a doubt that he did have ties to

1228
00:48:31,130 --> 00:48:28,400
was it the FSB the principal

1229
00:48:32,990 --> 00:48:31,140
intelligence service of russia now and

1230
00:48:35,570 --> 00:48:33,000
generally just a very well-connected

1231
00:48:37,850 --> 00:48:35,580
individual and you know it's possible

1232
00:48:40,300 --> 00:48:37,860
that through that context that's where

1233
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,310
bandit picked up on Evelyn's work and

1234
00:48:44,510 --> 00:48:42,960
you know you've seen this you know I

1235
00:48:46,070 --> 00:48:44,520
mean it's not just ban and obviously in

1236
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:46,080
the alt-right that are quite taken with

1237
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,530
him I mean

1238
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:48,720
Evelyn's had a lot of influence in that

1239
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:50,070
whole you know dark enlightenment

1240
00:48:55,580 --> 00:48:53,850
ideology he's had an influence on you

1241
00:48:59,000 --> 00:48:55,590
know Richard Spencer and some of these

1242
00:49:01,150 --> 00:48:59,010
other types so it's very much I think a

1243
00:49:03,620 --> 00:49:01,160
kind of ideology that has fuelled

1244
00:49:05,450 --> 00:49:03,630
elements of the modern right but you

1245
00:49:08,270 --> 00:49:05,460
know of Evelyn's ideology is very

1246
00:49:10,730 --> 00:49:08,280
elitist it was never meant for the

1247
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,740
masses which is why I don't think that

1248
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:12,420
it's really very well known you know I

1249
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:14,130
mean he wasn't trying to create a mass

1250
00:49:19,130 --> 00:49:16,340
movement he was trying to create an

1251
00:49:22,250 --> 00:49:19,140
initiated elite effectively that could

1252
00:49:24,860 --> 00:49:22,260
reorient society from the upper echelons

1253
00:49:26,390 --> 00:49:24,870
of power and I think now we're kind of

1254
00:49:28,370 --> 00:49:26,400
just starting to see hence of that

1255
00:49:31,570 --> 00:49:28,380
coming out and the extent to which his

1256
00:49:34,220 --> 00:49:31,580
ideology has influenced the ruling elite

1257
00:49:37,790 --> 00:49:34,230
yeah it's always interesting to see that

1258
00:49:42,050 --> 00:49:37,800
a cult crossover it's there people like

1259
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:42,060
to kind of deny it but even though a lot

1260
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,890
of people are presented with these

1261
00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:46,440
magical or occult ideas as if they're

1262
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:48,150
silliness and they don't put any stock

1263
00:49:52,370 --> 00:49:50,010
in them because they don't have a

1264
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:52,380
paradigm that considers them valuable

1265
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:54,450
you still got a look at what the elite

1266
00:49:58,100 --> 00:49:56,250
are doing and who they're powering

1267
00:50:01,670 --> 00:49:58,110
around with clearly there's something

1268
00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:01,680
there absolutely I think that's why

1269
00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:04,080
knowles has got that great saying on his

1270
00:50:11,020 --> 00:50:07,950
blog millionaires believe in astronomy

1271
00:50:13,340 --> 00:50:11,030
billionaires believe in astrology

1272
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:13,350
definitely in my research seems to be

1273
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:16,800
very much the case yeah I actually think

1274
00:50:24,010 --> 00:50:21,770
that is a JP Morgan quote that goes

1275
00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:24,020
millionaires don't believe in astrology

1276
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:27,510
billionaires do at least that's how I

1277
00:50:30,170 --> 00:50:29,130
heard of that it was a JP Morgan quote

1278
00:50:32,510 --> 00:50:30,180
but that makes it even more interesting

1279
00:50:34,610 --> 00:50:32,520
but yeah you and Chris are both some of

1280
00:50:36,590 --> 00:50:34,620
the best at parsing through that and

1281
00:50:38,750 --> 00:50:36,600
taking a look at it and saying well what

1282
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:38,760
does this mean because you could say

1283
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:40,770
during the Trump election in particular

1284
00:50:44,810 --> 00:50:44,130
there was a lot of occult context to it

1285
00:50:48,170 --> 00:50:44,820
it's

1286
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:48,180
on the whole cat queuing on Thane which

1287
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:50,850
is very heavily about codes and

1288
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:54,630
symbolism so it's in the soup that got

1289
00:51:00,260 --> 00:50:57,450
the guy elected yeah and I mean it's

1290
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,270
also I think in a lot of ways too I mean

1291
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:02,400
it's a very modern occult a because like

1292
00:51:04,970 --> 00:51:03,390
you're you know kind of getting add I

1293
00:51:08,810 --> 00:51:04,980
mean a lot of this has its roots and

1294
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:08,820
chaos magic can mean magic you know I

1295
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:09,900
mean I know there's kind of a tendency

1296
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:12,570
to you know reject all Trump followers

1297
00:51:16,970 --> 00:51:14,850
is just being kind of inbred rednecks or

1298
00:51:19,340 --> 00:51:16,980
something but you know I mean there is

1299
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:19,350
in my mind a certain sophistication to

1300
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,770
all of this certainly more so than you

1301
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,300
know what you probably see on Gaia or

1302
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:25,800
something like that

1303
00:51:30,500 --> 00:51:28,740
I mean I'm sorry for saying that you

1304
00:51:33,830 --> 00:51:30,510
know ultimately though I mean they did

1305
00:51:35,810 --> 00:51:33,840
get their guy in the white house so I do

1306
00:51:38,780 --> 00:51:35,820
think they really kind of tapped into

1307
00:51:41,210 --> 00:51:38,790
the whole notion of public relations

1308
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:41,220
essentially is a kind of magical working

1309
00:51:44,540 --> 00:51:43,110
and you know that was really put very

1310
00:51:47,330 --> 00:51:44,550
much in practice with a lot of this

1311
00:51:50,420 --> 00:51:47,340
symbolism on top of that you kind of

1312
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:50,430
have the whole specter of the SCL group

1313
00:51:54,410 --> 00:51:52,410
in cambridge analytical lingering behind

1314
00:51:56,540 --> 00:51:54,420
this with the whole thing with Trump and

1315
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:56,550
brexit and then of course you had the

1316
00:52:00,740 --> 00:51:57,810
kind of connections that that was

1317
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:00,750
planned here and Peter deal and his ties

1318
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:02,610
in turn to the dark and light mention a

1319
00:52:08,450 --> 00:52:05,370
lot of the notions of mean magic and

1320
00:52:09,950 --> 00:52:08,460
even if a lie and what have you so you

1321
00:52:13,850 --> 00:52:09,960
know there is this line of succession

1322
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:13,860
for these cyborg cabal type things of

1323
00:52:19,460 --> 00:52:17,400
these companies to these more arcane

1324
00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:19,470
sects the dark enlightenment and that

1325
00:52:25,220 --> 00:52:22,950
type of thing and yeah certainly it's

1326
00:52:26,050 --> 00:52:25,230
been brutally effective and practice to

1327
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:26,060
put it mildly

1328
00:52:31,730 --> 00:52:29,640
mmm-hmm and that stuff is on both sides

1329
00:52:37,460 --> 00:52:31,740
got to acknowledge it or there's gonna

1330
00:52:39,110 --> 00:52:37,470
be all kinds of kono but as we're

1331
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:39,120
starting to wrap this thing up I know

1332
00:52:45,770 --> 00:52:41,730
you're also working on an Epstein book

1333
00:52:48,770 --> 00:52:45,780
and we talked about a few Epstein esque

1334
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:48,780
networks in this whole saga that you

1335
00:52:54,860 --> 00:52:51,870
cover in the book is there anything that

1336
00:52:56,780 --> 00:52:54,870
you found researching Epstein recently

1337
00:52:58,460 --> 00:52:56,790
that's worth sharing the fight for any

1338
00:53:00,830 --> 00:52:58,470
real justice or

1339
00:53:04,130 --> 00:53:00,840
pursuit of the larger network seems to

1340
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:04,140
have largely fizzled out but are you

1341
00:53:10,220 --> 00:53:07,250
still on the case oh yeah yeah yeah no

1342
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:10,230
no the Epstein thing is actually morphed

1343
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:13,530
into three books actually well I'm you

1344
00:53:17,150 --> 00:53:15,660
know I was about into four or five

1345
00:53:19,310 --> 00:53:17,160
chapters in the first book and it was

1346
00:53:20,660 --> 00:53:19,320
getting around 60,000 words like yeah

1347
00:53:22,580 --> 00:53:20,670
you know if I tried to do this as a

1348
00:53:24,380 --> 00:53:22,590
whole book it's what gonna be two or

1349
00:53:27,230 --> 00:53:24,390
three times as long as tragedy in a hope

1350
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,240
or something like that so in the effort

1351
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:29,040
to make it more readable it was decided

1352
00:53:33,020 --> 00:53:30,930
to break it down into three books but

1353
00:53:35,359 --> 00:53:33,030
yeah I mean there's been you know some

1354
00:53:37,790 --> 00:53:35,369
really just amazing stuff that's come

1355
00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:37,800
out with this some things I had already

1356
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:39,840
alluded to but Resorts International and

1357
00:53:44,740 --> 00:53:42,510
just the continuation of these networks

1358
00:53:46,790 --> 00:53:44,750
and to me the big thing that really

1359
00:53:48,290 --> 00:53:46,800
became evident while I was researching

1360
00:53:50,030 --> 00:53:48,300
this as I wasn't just telling the

1361
00:53:52,099 --> 00:53:50,040
history of the sex rings but I mean

1362
00:53:54,740 --> 00:53:52,109
really the kind of pervert history of

1363
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:54,750
the anglo-american establishment as well

1364
00:53:58,010 --> 00:53:56,010
and it's really going to kind of

1365
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,020
chronicle this change that's going

1366
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:00,720
through it over the years from this kind

1367
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:04,050
of you know UN CFR type vision of the

1368
00:54:08,420 --> 00:54:06,150
world to trump and brexit and

1369
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:08,430
what-have-you and just you know held

1370
00:54:11,900 --> 00:54:10,530
this change occurred over the decades

1371
00:54:14,359 --> 00:54:11,910
from both the American and the British

1372
00:54:15,589 --> 00:54:14,369
perspective and you know certainly for

1373
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:15,599
me that's been really one of the more

1374
00:54:20,210 --> 00:54:17,490
interesting aspects has been researching

1375
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:20,220
the British deep state because it's not

1376
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,570
really a topic I was very familiar with

1377
00:54:24,349 --> 00:54:23,040
going into this and certainly I don't

1378
00:54:26,450 --> 00:54:24,359
think something that a lot of Americans

1379
00:54:28,940 --> 00:54:26,460
were either but it is a really

1380
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:28,950
fascinating topic and it was really just

1381
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:30,450
remarkable to see you know how

1382
00:54:34,609 --> 00:54:32,730
persistence the Anglo American

1383
00:54:37,070 --> 00:54:34,619
establishment has been and you know I

1384
00:54:38,780 --> 00:54:37,080
think that is really relevant into the

1385
00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:38,790
state of affairs were getting to into

1386
00:54:42,349 --> 00:54:40,800
the world now you know we might

1387
00:54:44,810 --> 00:54:42,359
potentially be witnessing the final

1388
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:44,820
collapse of the EU with the co vid thing

1389
00:54:50,359 --> 00:54:48,570
the UK is out of the EU there's been

1390
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:50,369
this ongoing discussions about trade

1391
00:54:55,220 --> 00:54:53,190
agreements between the US and UK I do

1392
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:55,230
think there are interest very much that

1393
00:55:00,020 --> 00:54:57,570
would love to form the long envisioned

1394
00:55:01,820 --> 00:55:00,030
anglo-american Empire which would

1395
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:01,830
essentially become the New World Order

1396
00:55:06,410 --> 00:55:04,050
rather than some hook you in world

1397
00:55:08,180 --> 00:55:06,420
government thing with the chaos in the

1398
00:55:09,859 --> 00:55:08,190
world that's going on right now you know

1399
00:55:11,620 --> 00:55:09,869
I think that's a better possibility than

1400
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:11,630
a lot of people have ever imagined

1401
00:55:14,740 --> 00:55:13,370
to this point and you know I think

1402
00:55:16,060 --> 00:55:14,750
that's a big part of what Trump is

1403
00:55:18,850 --> 00:55:16,070
trying to do with putting the pressure

1404
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:18,860
on China with the ko bid thing a lot of

1405
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:20,570
people would really love to break China

1406
00:55:25,630 --> 00:55:22,610
down into smaller countries that would

1407
00:55:27,010 --> 00:55:25,640
be much more manageable and in a lot of

1408
00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:27,020
ways I would really kind of clear the

1409
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:28,760
playing field for this proposed

1410
00:55:34,750 --> 00:55:31,130
anglo-american Yunnan to emerge as the

1411
00:55:35,740 --> 00:55:34,760
top dog with no real competition so you

1412
00:55:37,510 --> 00:55:35,750
know it's definitely going to be

1413
00:55:41,020 --> 00:55:37,520
interesting how this goes forward in the

1414
00:55:43,270 --> 00:55:41,030
coming months and yeah I mean it is an

1415
00:55:45,010 --> 00:55:43,280
unsettling prospect but you know I've

1416
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:45,020
been saying all along Trump was put into

1417
00:55:49,300 --> 00:55:47,630
power for two reasons and I mean that

1418
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:49,310
was to reorient American foreign policy

1419
00:55:53,500 --> 00:55:51,530
away from Russia and towards containment

1420
00:55:55,540 --> 00:55:53,510
of China on the one hand and on the

1421
00:55:56,950 --> 00:55:55,550
other hand to essentially tear up the

1422
00:55:58,960 --> 00:55:56,960
world order the Bretton Woods Agreement

1423
00:56:00,280 --> 00:55:58,970
and so forth that has dominated the

1424
00:56:03,970 --> 00:56:00,290
world since the end of the Second World

1425
00:56:05,500 --> 00:56:03,980
War that's all being scrapped and you

1426
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:05,510
know what we're seeing emerging now is

1427
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,970
definitely more in keen with a neo

1428
00:56:12,700 --> 00:56:10,160
medievalism and you know feudalism call

1429
00:56:14,950 --> 00:56:12,710
it what you will but it's I think going

1430
00:56:16,420 --> 00:56:14,960
to be a much more chaotic world and you

1431
00:56:18,550 --> 00:56:16,430
know one potentially where we could see

1432
00:56:19,330 --> 00:56:18,560
the dominant forces essentially emerging

1433
00:56:22,570 --> 00:56:19,340
as kind of neo

1434
00:56:25,180 --> 00:56:22,580
East India Company's certainly when you

1435
00:56:27,100 --> 00:56:25,190
see something like Apollo capital or

1436
00:56:28,900 --> 00:56:27,110
cerebus or something like that you know

1437
00:56:31,030 --> 00:56:28,910
I mean there's these massive financial

1438
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:31,040
institutions they're essentially holding

1439
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:32,810
companies I mean they control all these

1440
00:56:36,580 --> 00:56:35,090
other companies and then on top of that

1441
00:56:39,490 --> 00:56:36,590
they've got their own private armies in

1442
00:56:41,530 --> 00:56:39,500
the wings as well so in a sense I mean

1443
00:56:43,060 --> 00:56:41,540
this system is already waiting to go you

1444
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:43,070
know it just needs a further weakening

1445
00:56:49,090 --> 00:56:45,620
of the international order and it's got

1446
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:49,100
the green light so to speak mmm wow man

1447
00:56:54,490 --> 00:56:51,170
I think that's a great breakdown you

1448
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:54,500
have a very impressive grasp on some of

1449
00:56:58,270 --> 00:56:55,850
the stuff I consider the most

1450
00:57:01,630 --> 00:56:58,280
complicated stuff to wrap my head around

1451
00:57:04,390 --> 00:57:01,640
and I guess as we're wrapping this up

1452
00:57:06,190 --> 00:57:04,400
obviously strange tales of the pair of

1453
00:57:08,590 --> 00:57:06,200
political is a great book I really

1454
00:57:12,550 --> 00:57:08,600
enjoyed it you cover a lot of ground and

1455
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:12,560
a lot of complex and unknown history I

1456
00:57:16,830 --> 00:57:14,690
guess I would ask you as we're wrapping

1457
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:16,840
this up what do you consider the most

1458
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:20,330
important threads or contributions that

1459
00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:22,610
this book has made what are you most

1460
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:24,820
proud of in this book what is it

1461
00:57:29,370 --> 00:57:27,280
add to the general knowledge of the

1462
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:29,380
alternative scene well I think

1463
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:32,050
definitely the contractors one I mean I

1464
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:33,610
was you know very pleased the Colonia

1465
00:57:38,100 --> 00:57:35,440
Dignidad one I think really up to this

1466
00:57:39,630 --> 00:57:38,110
point it's the longest english-language

1467
00:57:42,060 --> 00:57:39,640
account of the colony that's been

1468
00:57:43,830 --> 00:57:42,070
published up to this point and certainly

1469
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,840
to give people an alternative to the

1470
00:57:46,790 --> 00:57:46,000
colony that's not as reliant on Peter

1471
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:46,800
lavinda

1472
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:48,970
suppose I should be nice not get into

1473
00:57:53,730 --> 00:57:51,490
that but anyway um just really though

1474
00:57:55,140 --> 00:57:53,740
the contractor is one because I do think

1475
00:57:56,820 --> 00:57:55,150
to this day people do tend to

1476
00:57:58,530 --> 00:57:56,830
underestimate the influence a lot of

1477
00:58:00,210 --> 00:57:58,540
this you know whole culture his head

1478
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:00,220
really going with the Joint Special

1479
00:58:04,650 --> 00:58:02,110
Operations Command and then into the

1480
00:58:06,150 --> 00:58:04,660
private military industry you know I

1481
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:06,160
mean really throughout the Cold War and

1482
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:08,410
into the 90s the special operators were

1483
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:10,450
pretty marginal figures in the grand

1484
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:12,850
scheme of things but they become a major

1485
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:15,550
power center going into the 21st century

1486
00:58:20,370 --> 00:58:17,410
and now you know you have these guys

1487
00:58:21,890 --> 00:58:20,380
controlling these vast multi million in

1488
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:21,900
some cases probably multibillion-dollar

1489
00:58:27,180 --> 00:58:24,490
corporations and it's a very different

1490
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:27,190
culture than what the ruling elite

1491
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:29,050
historically were comprised of you know

1492
00:58:33,180 --> 00:58:30,850
these aren't really guys that are coming

1493
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:33,190
from an Ivy League background from

1494
00:58:38,550 --> 00:58:35,680
Harvard or Yale and you know working in

1495
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:38,560
Goldman Sachs or some other New York

1496
00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:40,450
banking house I mean you know these are

1497
00:58:44,730 --> 00:58:42,070
guys who came up through the military

1498
00:58:46,890 --> 00:58:44,740
ranks fighting in Yemen and Somalia and

1499
00:58:49,590 --> 00:58:46,900
what-have-you it's just a very different

1500
00:58:50,910 --> 00:58:49,600
culture it's a different mindset and you

1501
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:50,920
know I think in a lot of ways you know

1502
00:58:54,810 --> 00:58:52,410
we're kind of struggling with this new

1503
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:54,820
grueling establishment that's begun to

1504
00:59:01,650 --> 00:58:57,430
emerge in the 21st century and how its

1505
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:01,660
reshaping the world order hmm well said

1506
00:59:09,630 --> 00:59:05,440
and speaking of lavinda uh obviously

1507
00:59:12,570 --> 00:59:09,640
he's known for some of that work and you

1508
00:59:16,700 --> 00:59:12,580
know I love sinister forces I don't love

1509
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,710
tea tsa so I don't really know

1510
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:18,640
necessarily what I think about all the

1511
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:20,890
things Peter lavinda is covered I think

1512
00:59:24,570 --> 00:59:22,840
he's quite wise and has lived a hell of

1513
00:59:27,090 --> 00:59:24,580
a life and as an amazing writer

1514
00:59:29,430 --> 00:59:27,100
do you without commenting on the man

1515
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:29,440
himself I guess do you have a an issue

1516
00:59:34,770 --> 00:59:32,410
with the way lavinda has presented the

1517
00:59:38,130 --> 00:59:34,780
information about the colony in his

1518
00:59:39,870 --> 00:59:38,140
accounts did you find something

1519
00:59:41,279 --> 00:59:39,880
that you would present differently when

1520
00:59:44,339 --> 00:59:41,289
you really dug into the research

1521
00:59:45,809 --> 00:59:44,349
yourself I mean on the one hand and in

1522
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:45,819
terms of the colony in fairness to

1523
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:47,650
lavinda I mean he was also working with

1524
00:59:53,700 --> 00:59:50,410
the sources that were available in the

1525
00:59:55,950 --> 00:59:53,710
early 90s so you know obviously we know

1526
00:59:58,140 --> 00:59:55,960
more now from Freedom of Information Act

1527
01:00:00,779 --> 00:59:58,150
requests and all that kind of thing but

1528
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:00,789
it does seem like he did struggle to put

1529
01:00:05,789 --> 01:00:03,839
it into the broader international

1530
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:05,799
context and you know just in general

1531
01:00:10,289 --> 01:00:07,210
when you kind of look on a lot of his

1532
01:00:11,849 --> 01:00:10,299
research on the post-war fascism and

1533
01:00:13,829 --> 01:00:11,859
what-have-you there's not a lot of you

1534
01:00:16,620 --> 01:00:13,839
know discussion about Lesar cow or some

1535
01:00:19,039 --> 01:00:16,630
of these other groups that probably did

1536
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:19,049
wield a tremendous amount of influence

1537
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:21,130
another one you know kind of going back

1538
01:00:24,750 --> 01:00:22,510
to that group I was talking about before

1539
01:00:27,779 --> 01:00:24,760
as the sovereign order of st. John where

1540
01:00:29,430 --> 01:00:27,789
I know he has to know more about that

1541
01:00:31,109 --> 01:00:29,440
group than what he's letting on because

1542
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:31,119
Carl Murray is Stanley one of the

1543
01:00:35,849 --> 01:00:32,890
wandering bishops from the American

1544
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:35,859
Orthodox Catholic Church we later going

1545
01:00:39,180 --> 01:00:37,720
to become involved with the Schick shiny

1546
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:39,190
Knights of Malta the sovereign order of

1547
01:00:42,990 --> 01:00:40,390
st. John and then he would break away

1548
01:00:45,390 --> 01:00:43,000
and form his own SOS Jay he set himself

1549
01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:45,400
up in Louisville Kentucky and he ended

1550
01:00:48,809 --> 01:00:47,140
up ordaining David Ferrie in this

1551
01:00:51,140 --> 01:00:48,819
capacity of course the you know famous

1552
01:00:53,849 --> 01:00:51,150
guy from the JFK assassination so

1553
01:00:56,339 --> 01:00:53,859
there's definitely some stuff going on

1554
01:00:58,049 --> 01:00:56,349
there that yeah he's been playing close

1555
01:00:59,819 --> 01:00:58,059
to the best for what reason you know I

1556
01:01:01,950 --> 01:00:59,829
don't want to speculate but you know

1557
01:01:04,829 --> 01:01:01,960
certainly I do find it a little

1558
01:01:06,299 --> 01:01:04,839
disconcerning that he's involved in the

1559
01:01:08,339 --> 01:01:06,309
association of former intelligence

1560
01:01:09,299 --> 01:01:08,349
officers and specifically in that just

1561
01:01:12,329 --> 01:01:09,309
bizarre

1562
01:01:14,819 --> 01:01:12,339
Las Vegas chapter which also features

1563
01:01:17,039 --> 01:01:14,829
Richard Doty of the hole then a whit's

1564
01:01:19,980 --> 01:01:17,049
affair it's got Colonel John Alexander

1565
01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:19,990
he of the non-lethal weapons and of

1566
01:01:23,609 --> 01:01:21,339
course the one and only Colonel Michael

1567
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:23,619
Aquino he of the temple have said to the

1568
01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:25,930
Church of Satan psychological warfare

1569
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:29,170
officer par excellence oh yeah I mean

1570
01:01:32,130 --> 01:01:30,730
those are some interesting figures there

1571
01:01:34,799 --> 01:01:32,140
and guys who have certainly just

1572
01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:34,809
probably ravaged the UFO community for

1573
01:01:39,870 --> 01:01:37,720
years now so in now Levin doesn't here

1574
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:39,880
with T TSA and what-have-you along with

1575
01:01:45,269 --> 01:01:42,250
a melon family member Christopher melon

1576
01:01:48,089 --> 01:01:45,279
another guy with intelligence ties so oh

1577
01:01:50,069 --> 01:01:48,099
really he's involved with T TSA oh yeah

1578
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:50,079
yeah he's been one of the big spokesmen

1579
01:01:52,420 --> 01:01:50,570
for it

1580
01:01:54,550 --> 01:01:52,430
what have you of course his brother

1581
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:54,560
Matthew melon was the guy who had a

1582
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,330
heart attack a couple of years ago when

1583
01:02:00,220 --> 01:01:58,160
he was on DMT or something like that

1584
01:02:02,950 --> 01:02:00,230
trying to clean up from his opioid abuse

1585
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:02,960
but Matthew made a fortune in crypto

1586
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:04,400
currencies he was actually the first

1587
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:05,930
melon family billionaire and I think a

1588
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:08,690
generation or something but he was tied

1589
01:02:12,610 --> 01:02:10,490
into Peter Deal and all these other guys

1590
01:02:15,310 --> 01:02:12,620
as well and then his brother Chris is

1591
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:15,320
involved in TTS a you know it's just a

1592
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:18,650
very incestuous network to put it mildly

1593
01:02:25,060 --> 01:02:21,890
but now there are some very insidious

1594
01:02:26,020 --> 01:02:25,070
people tied in with TTS a and you know I

1595
01:02:28,270 --> 01:02:26,030
love lavinda

1596
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:28,280
I mean I would consider the sinister

1597
01:02:31,420 --> 01:02:29,690
forces blokes to have just been an

1598
01:02:34,210 --> 01:02:31,430
enormous influence and everything I've

1599
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:34,220
done but I don't know what to make of

1600
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:34,730
this

1601
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:36,140
you know Las Vegas chapter of the

1602
01:02:39,940 --> 01:02:38,330
Association former intelligence officers

1603
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:39,950
and some of the guys he's involved with

1604
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:42,410
in that group you know they certainly

1605
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:44,450
are rather nefarious individuals and any

1606
01:02:49,810 --> 01:02:45,410
number of levels

1607
01:02:51,610 --> 01:02:49,820
hmm well we'll leave it alone but man

1608
01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:51,620
this has been a lot of fun

1609
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:53,780
you just know so many names and

1610
01:02:58,900 --> 01:02:56,210
connections that I could never keep

1611
01:03:00,490 --> 01:02:58,910
straight in my stupid stoner head so it

1612
01:03:02,590 --> 01:03:00,500
is always a pleasure and

1613
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:02,600
super-impressive I'm glad you got this

1614
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:04,730
book out congratulations it's a really

1615
01:03:08,980 --> 01:03:06,650
tough thing to do remind the people

1616
01:03:11,350 --> 01:03:08,990
where they can read your blog find your

1617
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:11,360
social media accounts and pick up the

1618
01:03:15,700 --> 01:03:12,530
book all that good stuff

1619
01:03:18,700 --> 01:03:15,710
sure well obviously there's the blog it

1620
01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:18,710
is bicep you blog spot.com

1621
01:03:26,950 --> 01:03:23,540
that's vis you P the iew blog spot.com

1622
01:03:30,370 --> 01:03:26,960
I've got links there where you can cure

1623
01:03:33,070 --> 01:03:30,380
a digital version of strange tales along

1624
01:03:35,710 --> 01:03:33,080
with contact them or us the first book

1625
01:03:38,140 --> 01:03:35,720
written by my co-author Frank zero got a

1626
01:03:39,460 --> 01:03:38,150
special pandemic bundle I guess is what

1627
01:03:41,050 --> 01:03:39,470
we're calling it right now for the cone

1628
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:41,060
good stuff so you can get both of those

1629
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:43,310
books for the price one physical copy of

1630
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:46,010
strange tales but if you are so inclined

1631
01:03:49,900 --> 01:03:48,110
for physical copies as I myself would be

1632
01:03:52,500 --> 01:03:49,910
you can pick up a copy of strange tales

1633
01:03:55,630 --> 01:03:52,510
on Amazon like pretty much anything else

1634
01:03:58,300 --> 01:03:55,640
I'm also involved with my own podcast

1635
01:04:02,170 --> 01:03:58,310
which is the farm you can find us at the

1636
01:04:04,609 --> 01:04:02,180
farm podcast calm that's the farm

1637
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:04,619
podcast calm that's all one

1638
01:04:08,390 --> 01:04:07,170
and another project I got coming out in

1639
01:04:10,699 --> 01:04:08,400
a couple of months which I'm really

1640
01:04:12,620 --> 01:04:10,709
excited about is the pennyroyal podcast

1641
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:12,630
that's gonna tied in with all the hell

1642
01:04:17,420 --> 01:04:14,819
your stuff a pennyroyal guys actually

1643
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:17,430
appeared in episode 8 season 2 of

1644
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,119
Hellyer

1645
01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:20,160
it's gonna get into all the crazy stuff

1646
01:04:23,779 --> 01:04:22,680
it's Somerset but he'll yours a little

1647
01:04:26,569 --> 01:04:23,789
you know it's mainly more of a

1648
01:04:28,239 --> 01:04:26,579
paranormal you know UFO for my weirdness

1649
01:04:30,410 --> 01:04:28,249
take on all of that

1650
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,420
pennyroyal is gonna get into some of the

1651
01:04:34,489 --> 01:04:32,160
pair of politics it's gonna get into all

1652
01:04:36,739 --> 01:04:34,499
the weird stuff too it's just I'm really

1653
01:04:39,140 --> 01:04:36,749
excited about it it's gonna be an

1654
01:04:41,209 --> 01:04:39,150
eight-episode miniseries for podcasts

1655
01:04:44,089 --> 01:04:41,219
it's gonna have just really crazy stuff

1656
01:04:45,709 --> 01:04:44,099
that we dug up with Kentucky among other

1657
01:04:47,059 --> 01:04:45,719
things you're gonna see how the 2016

1658
01:04:50,239 --> 01:04:47,069
election that really ran through

1659
01:04:53,059 --> 01:04:50,249
Kentucky and Donald Trump's insane ties

1660
01:04:54,679 --> 01:04:53,069
to the intelligence stuff and organized

1661
01:04:56,809 --> 01:04:54,689
crime and what-have-you that was going

1662
01:04:58,489 --> 01:04:56,819
on there so you know that's hopefully

1663
01:05:00,380 --> 01:04:58,499
gonna be out in July and I'm gonna write

1664
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,390
an essay kind of like the ones in

1665
01:05:04,729 --> 01:05:02,400
strange tales that's going to coincide

1666
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:04,739
with it that's gonna have the sources

1667
01:05:08,779 --> 01:05:06,569
for just all this crazy stuff that we

1668
01:05:11,299 --> 01:05:08,789
uncovered so definitely you know keep an

1669
01:05:12,859 --> 01:05:11,309
eye out for that and in the intern you

1670
01:05:15,799 --> 01:05:12,869
can always check me out the buys a blog

1671
01:05:17,299 --> 01:05:15,809
or at the farms podcast and definitely

1672
01:05:18,769 --> 01:05:17,309
you know considered picking up a copy of

1673
01:05:20,870 --> 01:05:18,779
the book obviously a lot of people have

1674
01:05:23,089 --> 01:05:20,880
got some spare time right now so you

1675
01:05:24,859 --> 01:05:23,099
know maybe give yourself a text that

1676
01:05:27,189 --> 01:05:24,869
will help you understand the geopolitics

1677
01:05:31,279 --> 01:05:27,199
is playing out right now

1678
01:05:33,079 --> 01:05:31,289
ABC man always be closing but I do like

1679
01:05:35,419 --> 01:05:33,089
it and we should all be doing stuff that

1680
01:05:38,289 --> 01:05:35,429
we're passionate about so I am excited

1681
01:05:41,239 --> 01:05:38,299
to check out that podcast series but

1682
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:41,249
again this has been a lot of fun this is

1683
01:05:45,529 --> 01:05:43,170
really dense material and you break it

1684
01:05:47,449 --> 01:05:45,539
down so well so thanks for being as

1685
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:47,459
dedicated as you are thanks for your

1686
01:05:51,229 --> 01:05:49,170
time and keep fighting the good fight

1687
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:51,239
take care of my man yeah thank you again

1688
01:06:01,700 --> 01:05:58,820
I fought the law and the law won THC

1689
01:06:04,490 --> 01:06:01,710
appearance number three from our main

1690
01:06:07,130 --> 01:06:04,500
man recluse droppin knowledge on elite

1691
01:06:10,070 --> 01:06:07,140
families and military contractors and

1692
01:06:12,770 --> 01:06:10,080
private security firms that we tend to

1693
01:06:14,780 --> 01:06:12,780
forget about sometimes big

1694
01:06:17,990 --> 01:06:14,790
congratulations to him again for getting

1695
01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:18,000
a book completed it is not easy and I do

1696
01:06:22,430 --> 01:06:20,460
hope that he sees some success with it I

1697
01:06:25,070 --> 01:06:22,440
definitely like having it in my library

1698
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:25,080
and it covers a lot of hidden history

1699
01:06:31,550 --> 01:06:28,530
that a person in my position can often

1700
01:06:33,530 --> 01:06:31,560
use a reference for and it's the kind of

1701
01:06:36,110 --> 01:06:33,540
show I guess I'm looking to do right now

1702
01:06:39,170 --> 01:06:36,120
it's got context which is helpful in

1703
01:06:41,930 --> 01:06:39,180
assessing our current situation but it's

1704
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,940
not so much about it directly because I

1705
01:06:47,540 --> 01:06:43,920
need a break and I feel like we've

1706
01:06:50,180 --> 01:06:47,550
covered this thing very thoroughly from

1707
01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:50,190
several different angles and I don't

1708
01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:51,930
really see a need for us to just keep

1709
01:06:57,020 --> 01:06:53,850
repeating ourselves because this

1710
01:06:59,210 --> 01:06:57,030
situation continues to go on but I've

1711
01:07:02,660 --> 01:06:59,220
always been impressed with recluses

1712
01:07:05,510 --> 01:07:02,670
level of detail he has a real knack for

1713
01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:05,520
tracking associations and connections

1714
01:07:10,820 --> 01:07:08,210
between these shadowy people and groups

1715
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:10,830
although I do find it curious how he

1716
01:07:16,580 --> 01:07:13,020
manages to pronounce certain names

1717
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:16,590
sometimes I do get it he's a researcher

1718
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:19,530
who is constantly reading and writing so

1719
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:20,730
sometimes you don't get a lot of

1720
01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:22,770
opportunity to talk about the material

1721
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:25,740
and if you're finding obscure names or

1722
01:07:30,590 --> 01:07:28,170
details you probably hear the names

1723
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,600
pronounced even less so but it's just

1724
01:07:34,220 --> 01:07:32,160
something I noticed once in awhile and I

1725
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:34,230
have to take a second and think about it

1726
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:35,850
I'm like oh actually I have heard of

1727
01:07:40,700 --> 01:07:36,890
that name before

1728
01:07:43,820 --> 01:07:40,710
but still to stay sharp as he does at

1729
01:07:45,650 --> 01:07:43,830
that level of detail is very impressive

1730
01:07:47,870 --> 01:07:45,660
and he makes a lot of good points

1731
01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:47,880
anybody should be able to understand

1732
01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:50,460
that so much of what we see out there

1733
01:07:56,420 --> 01:07:53,580
boils down to various companies and

1734
01:07:59,300 --> 01:07:56,430
contractors and groups battling for

1735
01:08:02,810 --> 01:07:59,310
influence supremacy and their share of

1736
01:08:05,450 --> 01:08:02,820
public funds would military contractors

1737
01:08:07,310 --> 01:08:05,460
perform domestic operations to make it

1738
01:08:08,260 --> 01:08:07,320
appear that their services are in dire

1739
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:08,270
need

1740
01:08:14,020 --> 01:08:10,370
of course they would the same is true

1741
01:08:17,130 --> 01:08:14,030
for the big influences in the medical

1742
01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:17,140
and tech spaces which seemed eerily

1743
01:08:22,410 --> 01:08:19,940
pre-prepared for a lot of what's coming

1744
01:08:25,090 --> 01:08:22,420
out in the wake of this big virus scare

1745
01:08:26,890 --> 01:08:25,100
easier to cut back on that funding when

1746
01:08:30,059 --> 01:08:26,900
we haven't really had a problem in

1747
01:08:32,559 --> 01:08:30,069
decades a little bit harder now and

1748
01:08:35,170 --> 01:08:32,569
broadly speaking I just think any time a

1749
01:08:38,140 --> 01:08:35,180
massive story comes out a shooting a

1750
01:08:42,059 --> 01:08:38,150
bombing a virus whatever it is you have

1751
01:08:44,459 --> 01:08:42,069
to think with these incentives in mind

1752
01:08:46,349 --> 01:08:44,469
it sucks that this current situation has

1753
01:08:48,959 --> 01:08:46,359
gotten out of control and that our

1754
01:08:53,459 --> 01:08:48,969
institutions have no credibility and

1755
01:08:57,870 --> 01:08:53,469
this legacy of manipulated events is so

1756
01:08:59,729 --> 01:08:57,880
long and tense it sometimes feels like

1757
01:09:00,809 --> 01:08:59,739
all these different sectors are just

1758
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:00,819
taking turns

1759
01:09:05,339 --> 01:09:03,520
slamming us with their [\h__\h] like

1760
01:09:07,800 --> 01:09:05,349
somebody rocking back and forth before

1761
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,810
they hop into a jump rope at the right

1762
01:09:12,930 --> 01:09:10,480
time just jump in jump out okay now it's

1763
01:09:17,550 --> 01:09:12,940
here ago and it's just a constant

1764
01:09:20,430 --> 01:09:17,560
bombardment of Boheme it's gobbling up

1765
01:09:23,419 --> 01:09:20,440
market share it's like as soon as we get

1766
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:23,429
over one thing something else crops up

1767
01:09:29,249 --> 01:09:26,650
but the silver lining to me the thing

1768
01:09:31,039 --> 01:09:29,259
that calms me down is that when you

1769
01:09:33,689 --> 01:09:31,049
strip away the events that seem

1770
01:09:37,559 --> 01:09:33,699
manipulated the false Flags the planned

1771
01:09:39,780 --> 01:09:37,569
shootings the DC snipers just all the

1772
01:09:41,970 --> 01:09:39,790
[\h__\h] that we deal with and of course

1773
01:09:44,729 --> 01:09:41,980
some tragic things do just happen

1774
01:09:47,129 --> 01:09:44,739
sometimes there really is no one in the

1775
01:09:50,129 --> 01:09:47,139
driver's seat but when you pull out the

1776
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:50,139
ones that do seem fishy you're left with

1777
01:09:56,010 --> 01:09:53,290
far fewer concerning events like one in

1778
01:09:58,740 --> 01:09:56,020
four and then the world doesn't seem so

1779
01:10:00,839 --> 01:09:58,750
scary do you think about all the

1780
01:10:02,459 --> 01:10:00,849
millions of interactions on the street

1781
01:10:04,859 --> 01:10:02,469
where everyone just goes about their

1782
01:10:08,189 --> 01:10:04,869
business or better yet even helps each

1783
01:10:10,830 --> 01:10:08,199
other once in a while and you can steady

1784
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:10,840
your breathing again things are clearly

1785
01:10:17,129 --> 01:10:13,210
tense right now but I think the only

1786
01:10:19,020 --> 01:10:17,139
strategy is to go Zen I go back to the

1787
01:10:20,879 --> 01:10:19,030
Jordan Peterson line about self

1788
01:10:24,330 --> 01:10:20,889
development where he says strive to be

1789
01:10:26,430 --> 01:10:24,340
the reliable person at a Funeral work on

1790
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:26,440
yourself enough that you're mentally

1791
01:10:32,310 --> 01:10:29,530
ready for everything pull yourself

1792
01:10:34,410 --> 01:10:32,320
together man you know and be gentle with

1793
01:10:37,649 --> 01:10:34,420
people who might not be as open and

1794
01:10:40,919 --> 01:10:37,659
aware as you are not everybody wants to

1795
01:10:44,879 --> 01:10:40,929
hear theories right now they just want a

1796
01:10:46,890 --> 01:10:44,889
stable genius to lean on I've seen a lot

1797
01:10:49,950 --> 01:10:46,900
of strains on friendships because one

1798
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:49,960
person can't just shut up about the plan

1799
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:53,650
Demick I like to believe that outside

1800
01:10:58,020 --> 01:10:55,600
the box thinkers have an

1801
01:11:01,470 --> 01:10:58,030
Vantage in times like these but our tone

1802
01:11:03,450 --> 01:11:01,480
and our humility and our empathy are the

1803
01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:03,460
qualities that are going to determine

1804
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:06,820
how we're perceived the system is

1805
01:11:12,660 --> 01:11:09,130
painting anyone who has skepticism on

1806
01:11:15,900 --> 01:11:12,670
this as a dangerous right-wing Trump

1807
01:11:19,290 --> 01:11:15,910
lovin classless queue and on teeth

1808
01:11:22,470 --> 01:11:19,300
sucker and our behavior is either gonna

1809
01:11:24,780 --> 01:11:22,480
validate that perception or it's going

1810
01:11:28,110 --> 01:11:24,790
to further erode the credibility of the

1811
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:28,120
cable news narrative obviously we can't

1812
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:30,400
control what other people do and I'm

1813
01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:31,930
sure there's always going to be an

1814
01:11:38,460 --> 01:11:33,940
example that they can turn the cameras

1815
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:38,470
to that make us look uneducated but it

1816
01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:41,770
would be nice if just by observing some

1817
01:11:45,450 --> 01:11:43,720
of us it was obvious to the more

1818
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:45,460
conventional people in our lives that

1819
01:11:50,730 --> 01:11:48,730
our worldview is serving us well in

1820
01:11:54,690 --> 01:11:50,740
these times and then it would start to

1821
01:11:55,950 --> 01:11:54,700
look more attractive not less I just

1822
01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:55,960
said we're all probably sick of talking

1823
01:12:00,150 --> 01:11:57,340
about it and then went on my little

1824
01:12:03,240 --> 01:12:00,160
soapbox rant there but I'm just trying

1825
01:12:07,020 --> 01:12:03,250
to tie it all into the context that

1826
01:12:08,910 --> 01:12:07,030
recluse provides in his book and this

1827
01:12:11,460 --> 01:12:08,920
interview if you liked the first hour

1828
01:12:14,280 --> 01:12:11,470
where we did get through a great deal of

1829
01:12:15,930 --> 01:12:14,290
material we got through just as much in

1830
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:15,940
the second hour things like the dark

1831
01:12:22,890 --> 01:12:19,530
details of the colony SAIC

1832
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:22,900
other military contractors like them and

1833
01:12:29,300 --> 01:12:26,130
some potential domestic operations

1834
01:12:32,370 --> 01:12:29,310
DynCorp and the Trump administration

1835
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:32,380
esoteric and mythological names of these

1836
01:12:40,170 --> 01:12:35,730
companies like that damn drug made by

1837
01:12:42,690 --> 01:12:40,180
Gilead and we also talked about Kovac

1838
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:42,700
control and election suppression the

1839
01:12:48,210 --> 01:12:46,210
prospect of that second wave and a lot

1840
01:12:52,050 --> 01:12:48,220
of the economic games that are being

1841
01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:52,060
played in the Cova chaos so all good

1842
01:12:56,430 --> 01:12:53,980
stuff trying to bring you good stuff

1843
01:12:59,660 --> 01:12:56,440
well worth your money please sign up for

1844
01:13:01,280 --> 01:12:59,670
plus if you value this show

1845
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:01,290
but other than that I guess there's not

1846
01:13:07,270 --> 01:13:04,770
a ton to say I hope you're all staying

1847
01:13:10,790 --> 01:13:07,280
safe out there I hope you're all

1848
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:10,800
weathering the economic hardship well

1849
01:13:16,850 --> 01:13:14,070
enough and I hope you're starting to

1850
01:13:20,750 --> 01:13:16,860
think about or have the conversation

1851
01:13:22,610 --> 01:13:20,760
about how to be more self-sufficient how

1852
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:22,620
to put yourself in a position where you

1853
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:25,410
could say you know you don't want to let

1854
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:29,340
me into a Walmart without the invisible

1855
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:31,800
tattoo that's fine I don't need anything

1856
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:34,530
from there I've always talked about

1857
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:36,570
having one foot in one foot out it's

1858
01:13:42,340 --> 01:13:38,970
getting a lot harder to keep that foot

1859
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:42,350
in and I'm sure that's no accident but

1860
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:46,290
other than that I guess we have a few

1861
01:13:51,230 --> 01:13:48,030
good shows coming up that I'm excited

1862
01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:51,240
about and we have a joint session on the

1863
01:13:58,850 --> 01:13:55,560
20th so next week and two episodes

1864
01:14:01,160 --> 01:13:58,860
coming before the month ends so I guess

1865
01:14:03,410 --> 01:14:01,170
I'll just catch you then I'm out of here

1866
01:14:04,820 --> 01:14:03,420
big thanks to recluse once again I've

1867
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:04,830
done my part

1868
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:07,260
your move conniving contractors

1869
01:14:15,230 --> 01:14:10,140
egomaniacal elite and satanic security

1870
01:14:21,020 --> 01:14:15,240
firms your [\h__\h] you know the plan has

1871
01:14:25,430 --> 01:14:21,030
always been m'kay I'll just try to trim

1872
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:25,440
you insane they'll explode your heart if

1873
01:14:31,130 --> 01:14:27,530
you think that's what it takes

1874
01:14:35,630 --> 01:14:31,140
you think I'm answering the phone when I

1875
01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:35,640
ain't you gotta keep it strong cuz I

1876
01:14:41,420 --> 01:14:38,340
don't want anyone thinking yo at home

1877
01:14:45,290 --> 01:14:41,430
well you're not you should tape the mail

1878
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:45,300
slot and baby if I seem withdrawn let me

1879
01:14:51,500 --> 01:14:48,300
sing it's cuz I just don't wanna go and

1880
01:14:54,710 --> 01:14:51,510
get whacked maybe you should know that

1881
01:14:58,760 --> 01:14:54,720
the trauma of sex you like

1882
01:15:02,600 --> 01:14:58,770
does everyone it's just the game plan

1883
01:15:05,690 --> 01:15:02,610
it's where the wells become they want a

1884
01:15:09,500 --> 01:15:05,700
patent and the swap don't you see what's

1885
01:15:13,630 --> 01:15:09,510
going on well now you know you're better

1886
01:15:17,690 --> 01:15:13,640
keeping on your uncas you can sing the

1887
01:15:23,260 --> 01:15:17,700
Masters lacking much oh baby you can

1888
01:15:27,260 --> 01:15:23,270
only trust yourself and if you think the

1889
01:15:30,660 --> 01:15:27,270
system's out of touch it is and you can

1890
01:15:33,870 --> 01:15:30,670
only trust yours now

1891
01:15:37,709 --> 01:15:33,880
I hope you know real lean aren't your

1892
01:15:39,290 --> 01:15:37,719
friends the suck out everything from you

1893
01:15:42,990 --> 01:15:39,300
in the end

1894
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:43,000
and if for some reason you think I might

1895
01:15:51,330 --> 01:15:46,810
be wrong I wonder where you got that

1896
01:15:53,490 --> 01:15:51,340
opinion from you gotta keep the Turner's

1897
01:15:56,340 --> 01:15:53,500
strong cuz you don't want anyone

1898
01:15:59,939 --> 01:15:56,350
thinking you're at home well you're not

1899
01:16:03,000 --> 01:15:59,949
you should tape the mail slot and baby

1900
01:16:05,939 --> 01:16:03,010
if I seem withdrawn let me say it's cuz

1901
01:16:09,870 --> 01:16:05,949
I just don't wanna go and get whacked

1902
01:16:14,010 --> 01:16:09,880
maybe you should know that the trauma of

1903
01:16:16,380 --> 01:16:14,020
sex do you like it does everyone it's

1904
01:16:20,340 --> 01:16:16,390
just the game when it's where the

1905
01:16:23,310 --> 01:16:20,350
world's become they want a pat down in

1906
01:16:24,990 --> 01:16:23,320
the swamp don't you see what's going on

1907
01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:25,000
well now

1908
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:28,760
you're better keepin on your own cuz you

1909
01:16:38,290 --> 01:16:32,960
can see the Masters lighting much oh

1910
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:38,300
baby you can only trust yourself and if

1911
01:16:47,730 --> 01:16:42,770
you think the system's out of touch it

1912
01:17:06,080 --> 01:16:47,740
is and you can only trust yourself

1913
01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:06,090
[Music]

1914
01:17:14,340 --> 01:17:09,850
you might think that these problems are

1915
01:17:18,540 --> 01:17:14,350
small maybe they aren't registering at

1916
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:18,550
all now they know you're naive and

1917
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:23,050
vulnerable you won't believe all of the

1918
01:17:32,070 --> 01:17:28,050
stunts that kelpo cuz you can see the

1919
01:17:36,570 --> 01:17:32,080
Masters lied too much oh baby you can

1920
01:17:41,370 --> 01:17:36,580
only trust your cells and if you think

1921
01:17:45,540 --> 01:17:41,380
the system's out of touch it is and you

1922
01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:45,550
can only trust yourselves because you

1923
01:17:55,380 --> 01:17:49,990
can see the Masters lie too much oh baby

1924
01:18:00,270 --> 01:17:55,390
you can only trust yourself and if you

1925
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:00,280
think the system's out of touch it isn't